Red pill Manosphere podcaster cac gets taken down HARD and exposed for not living what he preaches.

[O.Red]

Yup. Instead of telling people to level up and work on themselves to improve their chances with the opposite sex, they tell their listeners it's not their fault and people should accept them the way they are, while at the same time leveling up on their listeners backs. And the funny part for the dudes is that they think just getting some money will improve their chances with women when in reality they have to settle for the women you mentioned who are just using them for their money because they never worked on their personalities or looked inward in regards to the problem they were having with women in the first place.

That's not necessarily true. All of these nikkas start with "You're a loser. Hit the gym and get your money up"

The actual underlying issue is the lack of social skills and adjacence to racist ideology. There's also the inherent superiority complex that comes with being a white male. That's how you end up with Dunning-Kreuger situations like the clip in op where a guy that thinks he's smart ends up blowing up off an immediate contradiction of his "I'm a smart white man" cosplay

 

[Rayzah]

The thing is that you don't have to follow them. You can get real advice that isn't attached to incendiary speech just from speaking to other men in real life.
The red pill to maga pipeline is a thing for a reason and we saw it in full display last year.
I don't listen to lifestyle podcasts but I've read that there are podcasts that are about positive masculinity.

Here’s what I’m saying in simple terms:

There’s an overall message from the guys I actually listen to

level up, get your money right, stop complaining, stop watching porn all day, get in shape, get outside, learn how to talk to women.

A lot of men genuinely need that message, especially the ones who don’t have older men in their life giving them guidance.

Then you’ve got the Kevin Samuels-type relationship content that basically says:

if you want a certain kind of partner, you’ve got to become a certain kind of person.

Men included. Women included. Everybody included.


None of that is extremist. None of that is political.
It’s just accountability.

But y’all act like if someone gives that message with a bold delivery — or has rumors, accusations, or some wild opinions mixed in — suddenly the whole thing is radioactive and you have to throw the baby out with the bathwater.


You’re turning nuance into a purity test. “If they said ONE thing I don’t like, the entire philosophy is evil.”

That’s not realistic.
That’s not how real adults process information.

And the whole “red pill to MAGA pipeline” thing just proves the point — you’re painting everything with one brush. Not everyone listening to that content is being shipped off to the far right. A lot of them are just regular dudes trying to improve their lives.

Life isn’t black and white.

Not everyone who talks about self-improvement is secretly trying to turn listeners into political extremists.

Nuance exists. Balance exists. Context exists.

I can compartmentalize because I actually think things through instead of grouping everything together.

But I see we agree to disagree and I’ve learned that this forum isn’t the place to have these types of discussions. I will go back to lurking and catching up on the news. Y’all got it.

 

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Here’s what I’m saying in simple terms:

There’s an overall message from the guys I actually listen to

level up, get your money right, stop complaining, stop watching porn all day, get in shape, get outside, learn how to talk to women.

A lot of men genuinely need that message, especially the ones who don’t have older men in their life giving them guidance.

Then you’ve got the Kevin Samuels-type relationship content that basically says:

if you want a certain kind of partner, you’ve got to become a certain kind of person.

Men included. Women included. Everybody included.


None of that is extremist. None of that is political.
It’s just accountability.

But y’all act like if someone gives that message with a bold delivery — or has rumors, accusations, or some wild opinions mixed in — suddenly the whole thing is radioactive and you have to throw the baby out with the bathwater.


You’re turning nuance into a purity test. “If they said ONE thing I don’t like, the entire philosophy is evil.”

That’s not realistic.
That’s not how real adults process information.

And the whole “red pill to MAGA pipeline” thing just proves the point — you’re painting everything with one brush. Not everyone listening to that content is being shipped off to the far right. A lot of them are just regular dudes trying to improve their lives.

Life isn’t black and white.

Not everyone who talks about self-improvement is secretly trying to turn listeners into political extremists.

Nuance exists. Balance exists. Context exists.

I can compartmentalize because I actually think things through instead of grouping everything together.

But I see we agree to disagree and I’ve learned that this forum isn’t the place to have these types of discussions. I will go back to lurking and catching up on the news. Y’all got it.

You are intentionally not seeing what they are doing then.
None of what you listed is hidden knowledge that can only be learned from Tate or Samuels. If a grown man needs to listen to them to learn those basics then they got more problems than what those tips can help with. Young males are the target audience and them trying to emulate Andrew Tate and Kevin Samuels will lead to (and have led to) them pushing most women away. They push the women away; they become resentful because of that; that pushes them further into red pill/conservatives spaces; and then we get more articles and news reports about young male loneliness epidemic

Framing this as a purity test is absolutely asinine

 

[Rayzah]

You are intentionally not seeing what they are doing then.
None of what you listed is hidden knowledge that can only be learned from Tate or Samuels. If a grown man needs to listen to them to learn those basics then they got more problems than what those tips can help with. Young males are the target audience and them trying to emulate Andrew Tate and Kevin Samuels will lead to (and have led to) them pushing most women away. They push the women away; they become resentful because of that; that pushes them further into red pill/conservatives spaces; and then we get more articles and news reports about young male loneliness epidemic

Framing this as a purity test is absolutely asinine

You’re assuming men already have access to this “basic” knowledge. They don’t.

A lot of dudes don’t have fathers, mentors, or older men in their life giving them guidance. So yeah they go online. Not because Tate or KS are the only source, but because they’re the most accessible voice saying things nobody else is saying to them.

Young men aren’t “emulating Tate and pushing women away.”

They’re awkward, lonely, and unprepared long before they ever see a Tate clip. That’s why his message hits them in the first place.


The loneliness epidemic didn’t appear because of red pill content —

red pill content blew up because the “loneliness epidemic” was already here.

You’re reversing the cause and effect.
And the idea that “if someone listens to a message about improvement, they must be sliding into far-right politics”… come on. That’s way too simplistic. You’re acting like men can’t separate lifestyle advice from political ideology. That’s exactly the black-and-white thinking I’m talking about.

I’m not ignoring anything.

I’m just not pretending that the entire message is harmful because some people take it too far.

That’s not asinine — that’s nuance. And this topic needs way more of it

 

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You’re assuming men already have access to this “basic” knowledge. They don’t.

A lot of dudes don’t have fathers, mentors, or older men in their life giving them guidance. So yeah they go online. Not because Tate or KS are the only source, but because they’re the most accessible voice saying things nobody else is saying to them.

Young men aren’t “emulating Tate and pushing women away.”

They’re awkward, lonely, and unprepared long before they ever see a Tate clip. That’s why his message hits them in the first place.


The loneliness epidemic didn’t appear because of red pill content —

red pill content blew up because the “loneliness epidemic” was already here.

You’re reversing the cause and effect.
And the idea that “if someone listens to a message about improvement, they must be sliding into far-right politics”… come on. That’s way too simplistic. You’re acting like men can’t separate lifestyle advice from political ideology. That’s exactly the black-and-white thinking I’m talking about.

I’m not ignoring anything.

I’m just not pretending that the entire message is harmful because some people take it too far.

That’s not asinine — that’s nuance. And this topic needs way more of it

For the people that don't have at least friends if they don't have positive male figures, going to extreme figures like Andrew Tate to learn "how to be a man" is the worst thing they can do. If it was working we still wouldn't be talking about loneliness in young males and red pill content wouldn't still be so prominent.

Building character, learning what makes you happy, and finding a hobby that you enjoy will net you more positive interactions with people in general than trying to be a vapid playboy millionaire that talks down to women. Like someone mentioned previously, the type of women they chastise and claim how every woman is is ultimately the same type of women they end up with

 

[Rayzah]

For the people that don't have at least friends if they don't have positive male figures, going to extreme figures like Andrew Tate to learn "how to be a man" is the worst thing they can do. If it was working we still wouldn't be talking about loneliness in young males and red pill content wouldn't still be so prominent.

Building character, learning what makes you happy, and finding a hobby that you enjoy will net you more positive interactions with people in general than trying to be a vapid playboy millionaire that talks down to women. Like someone mentioned previously, the type of women they chastise and claim how every woman is is ultimately the same type of women they end up with

Look man, at this point we’re clearly talking past each other. I’m breaking down the nuance and you keep responding with the extreme version of the argument that I never made.
I never said copy Tate or try to be a millionaire playboy. I never said you had to agree with everything he says. I don’t agree with everything anyone says but that doesn’t disqualify their credibility

That tells me we’re not even debating the same thing. It’s all good though — we just see this differently. No hard feelings

 

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@Rayzah

 

[Adeptus Astartes]

Look man, at this point we’re clearly talking past each other. I’m breaking down the nuance and you keep responding with the extreme version of the argument that I never made.
I never said copy Tate or try to be a millionaire playboy. I never said you had to agree with everything he says. I don’t agree with everything anyone says but that doesn’t disqualify their credibility

That tells me we’re not even debating the same thing. It’s all good though — we just see this differently. No hard feelings

It should. Myself and someone like say, Jared Taylor may agree on some aspects of immigration restrictions. However, this does not mean I will defend his character, give him the benefit of the doubt on any other topic, recommend him as an authority, buy his products, or listen to anything he is involved with. Because he is a white supremacist, I will vehemently oppose anything he is associated with.

Same goes for these redpillers. The most popular are connected to racism, Christian/Muslim fundamentalism, misogyny, and other reactionary ideologies. Why make excuses for drinking from a poisoned well when there are healthy ones?

 

[5n0man]

Take what’s useful, leave the rest. Same rules apply everywhere

99 percent of what those people spew is complete bullshyt.

"Take what's useful"

Thats like listening to a literal neo nazi like nick fuentes because you agree with his stance on Israel.

 

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[Jaguar93]

Just like with any other movement it starts off with a simple message and genuine advice. Until said movement gets too extreme, bitter, jaded, and performative. shyt went from something that most people would agree on. Like self improvement, accountability, discipline, etc. To the he-man woman haters club/racist/maga cult. That shyt isn’t exclusive to the red pilled movement either. Women go through the same pipeline in their movements. A lot of men and women are being radicalized in those communities.

 

[jilla82]

For the people that don't have at least friends if they don't have positive male figures, going to extreme figures like Andrew Tate to learn "how to be a man" is the worst thing they can do. If it was working we still wouldn't be talking about loneliness in young males and red pill content wouldn't still be so prominent.

Building character, learning what makes you happy, and finding a hobby that you enjoy will net you more positive interactions with people in general than trying to be a vapid playboy millionaire that talks down to women. Like someone mentioned previously, the type of women they chastise and claim how every woman is is ultimately the same type of women they end up with

why do you keep bringing up Andrew Tate?
He's not even considered "red pill".

You say men should "already know this stuff" but you can take 10 minutes to look up stats for Black boys/men and see they clearly dont.

So are you saying men should only learn from school textbooks?

 

[Heafcliffe]

That "man" turned complete bytch!

 

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why do you keep bringing up Andrew Tate?
He's not even considered "red pill".

You say men should "already know this stuff" but you can take 10 minutes to look up stats for Black boys/men and see they clearly dont.

So are you saying men should only learn from school textbooks?

Because dude mentioned Tate.

I mentioned that there are other sources not that they should already know it

Quote me where I mentioned that men should only learn from school textbooks