Reggie calls Phil's triangle a trash offense

[Long Live The Kane]

Can anyone name a great offense that did not have great players? Of course the players make the offense. So calling out the offense is silly when we all know it doesn't matter either way if you don't have the players.

the last couple of spurs finals teams fit the bill to me...Timmy is historically great for sure, Parker and ginobi are hof'ers, Leonard is now starting to emerge as an elite scorer... but there wasn't a single player on that squad who in their current incarnation would account for how great they were offensively...just looking at that roster as consisted, they shouldn't have been able to basically put on the greatest offensive display in finals history like they did with that dismantling of the heat...schematically they were just that far ahead of what the heat was built to adjust to

 

[Family Lives Matter]

Triangle just a circle

 

[Remote]

Bu bu but the coli told me the offensive schemes teams run is what makes players great and not the other way around. The coli told me Kawhi and Curry are only great because of the teams they play on and if you switch em to another team, they won't be as good as we think they are.

Curry could make 3s on any team.
But Draymond wouldn't be as valuable in Brooklyn.

 

[Reid2Achieve]

The issue isn't just the triangle, its the guys Phil has coaching it (including rotations and adjustments) and the roster fit.

You can't just jam a play style in to a team if it's not a good fit. Mike D'Antoni did the same thing with the Lakers, trying to play run and gun with older Kobe, Pau, and Dwight

 

[FTBS]

the last couple of spurs finals teams fit the bill to me...Timmy is historically great for sure, Parker and ginobi are hof'ers, Leonard is now starting to emerge as an elite scorer... but there wasn't a single player on that squad who in their current incarnation would account for how great they were offensively...just looking at that roster as consisted, they shouldn't have been able to basically put on the greatest offensive display in finals history like they did with that dismantling of the heat...schematically they were just that far ahead of what the heat was built to adjust to

good one. They didn't really go into orbit until Kawhi starting going point for point with prime Bron though.

 

[FTBS]

You missed THE fukk out of the point

I got what you were saying. I just don't think that it's relevant to what I was saying.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Curry could make 3s on any team.
But Draymond wouldn't be as valuable in Brooklyn.

How so?

There's nothing stopping him from having the same defensive impact on other teams and there's nothing stopping him from doing most of the shyt he does on offense either. If your argument is that he won't have an undefined role/position on other teams; freelancing on the court, I'd agree. But that would be less to do with his skillset, and more to do with coaching and scheme.

 

[BXKingPin82]

Old Rock N Jock Reggie back

 

[Long Live The Mamba]

 

[KOBE]

Wait, so what they're telling me is that systems aren't great without GREAT players? NO fukkING WAY.

 

[MJ Truth]

But the Warriors offense is just a faster version of Phil Jackson triangle. Essentially it's the triangle with the Spurs open ball movement scheme. Steve Kerr said it himself.

And the Warriors would have a shyt offense without Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, and guys like that. What part don't y'all get? Offenses work well first because of talent, then because of scheme. That's all Reggie and anybody else is saying. They're criticizing the talent acquired by the team more than they're talking down the triangle.

 

[Cadillac]

And 2 of those championship rings cam from beatimg both of them in the finals.

 

[FTBS]

And the Warriors would have a shyt offense without Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, and guys like that. What part don't y'all get? Offenses work well first because of talent, then because of scheme. That's all Reggie and anybody else is saying. They're criticizing the talent acquired by the team more than they're talking down the triangle.

He is directly attacking the triangle and suggesting they should do something more like the Warriors, whose offense is based off the triangle. He didn't refer to any of the players as "crap". Knicks have had issues with talent for years so there is no reason to even mention the triangle, which has been there for 2 years, if thats what you are getting at.

 

[mbewane]

Well Reggie isn't far off, There aren't too many players on the Knicks with the skill set to make the Triangle work, but there are some issue with how it's being run in NY imo. A lot of Knicks possessions take too much time off of the clock, just to end in a long two. The pace isn't being pushed enough either, but I'll admit that's kind of hard to do with Calderon there too. I mean the system succeeds at getting guys to move the ball ( I think the Knicks are near the top of the league when it comes to passes made, yet near the bottom in terms of assits) and creating a bunch of open mid range shots for the Knicks, but I'm sure most teams will live with the Knicks taking those. I think a change in offensive focus and a better coach would help some, but no one under Phil's coaching tree has become a good coach, and Phil doesn't believe in the 3 point shot,and other helpful shyt like advanced analytics. There are parts of the triangle that work, but I think you need to do what the Warriors have done and pull from other systems too, not just run the triangle straight up.

Never realized that, damn. Says a lot about Pop, I think they showed a graphic once about all the coaches that are linked to the Spurs, was quite interesting.

The triangle needs an initiator that can handle the ball from the 2 through 4, the Knicks don't have that.

Scottie was that for the Bulls
Odom was that for the Lakers
Kobe was that for the Lakers
Draymond/Iguodala is that for the Warriors


Phil's system is rigid and wont work without the right personnel.

Yep. The closest (not saying he's at that level) would be D.Williams, maybe.

 

[The War Report]

When you have Robin Lopez getting a bunch of touches in the post, you know your offense is trash.