Remember how teachers always complained how underpaid they were?

[BrothaZay]

ITT: Teachers deserve to be millionaires but fast food workers dont deserve a $3 raise

 

[Malta]

this would be the perfect gig that would allow me to hit brasil for a few months @Malta

Be a gym teacher, all the benefits of being a teacher without having to grade papers.

 

[Bilz]

Who is playing violins for teachers? Do teachers corner the market on stress, over-worked/underpaid? , no... But they are being dismissed in this thread and told that making a below average salary for their level of education is too much as is.... Show me the careers that require advance degrees and their average starting salary? I laughed at my friend when she told me her starting salary after she did her student teaching and finished her masters... I was making almost 10k more than her out of undergrad and had comparable retirement and health benefits...

And why are the days off a problem? That is the way the education system is structured... Do you want your children in school on Christmas? Are you angry because they live in a place that has unions that protect their right to work? Sheesh... You sound jealous because they have summers off and an investigation before they are fired... If you want that, go get that... Don't vilify them because they have what you want

Yeah you just have an overall negative disposition for education if you think some teachers only teach spelling... Learning doesn't come from books only... Many of these neglected kids are also getting the nurturing in school...and that type of care is priceless...

Are all teachers awesome sauce? No... But many are... You should spend that energy trying to get the bad ones out instead of trying to throw the baby out with the bath water and censure the entire teaching profession

There are just way too many straw man arguments being thrown out there. People are just swinging their arms blindly in defense of teachers who aren't even being attacked.

I haven't seen anyone advocating cutting teacher salaries. What I have seen (and what my original point was) is that teachers are not struggling on a top ramen salary. In the private industry, we have seen pensions disappear, time off shorted, jobs eliminated, workloads increased, salaries reduced, and so on. In the private industry, the teachers I saw making $70-$80k would have either been laid off or they'd be now making $45-50k, no pension, working through the summer, and guess what, they would have no trouble filling those jobs.

 

[Zach Lowe]

Massachusetts is the best state for teachers. If you work for Boston Public Schools just with a bachelors your starting salary is $50k, Masters $70-100k, and Doctorate is over $110k. Also these kids live around MIT, Harvard, and some of the best schools in the country. They are also very incentivized, teachers will get better pays and contracts if their schools show excellence and improvement with MCAS (state standardized tests) scores.

Who cares where they live
I bet new haven public schools ain't shyt

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Who is playing violins for teachers? Do teachers corner the market on stress, over-worked/underpaid? , no... But they are being dismissed in this thread and told that making a below average salary for their level of education is too much as is.... Show me the careers that require advance degrees and their average starting salary? I laughed at my friend when she told me her starting salary after she did her student teaching and finished her masters... I was making almost 10k more than her out of undergrad and had comparable retirement and health benefits...

And why are the days off a problem? That is the way the education system is structured... Do you want your children in school on Christmas? Are you angry because they live in a place that has unions that protect their right to work? Sheesh... You sound jealous because they have summers off and an investigation before they are fired... If you want that, go get that... Don't vilify them because they have what you want

Yeah you just have an overall negative disposition for education if you think some teachers only teach spelling... Learning doesn't come from books only... Many of these neglected kids are also getting the nurturing in school...and that type of care is priceless...

Are all teachers awesome sauce? No... But many are... You should spend that energy trying to get the bad ones out instead of trying to throw the baby out with the bath water and censure the entire teaching profession

stopped reading soon as you got to BELOW AVG SALARY

after i posted at least 3 times that they are above avg AND have 4 months off and are still above avg

lets take your extra 10k.... and subtract 4 months of pay..... now who's making more?


and now reading this... no i don't have a problem with them... they have a job.. they do it.. they are getting paid for it.. and spend months not working, and still getting paid

to me... THAT'S GOOD.. be happy... shut the hell up

people in here talking about they should be making 6 figures and shyt... as if teaching anywhere not in high school, is some challenge that deserves the same as some high level engineer or some shyt

they make good money.. better than avg.. and work a damn lot less than avg... they cool where they at.. i don't see the need to cape for them

 

[Colicat]

There are just way too many straw man arguments being thrown out there. People are just swinging their arms blindly in defense of teachers who aren't even being attacked.

I haven't seen anyone advocating cutting teacher salaries. What I have seen (and what my original point was) is that teachers are not struggling on a top ramen salary. In the private industry, we have seen pensions disappear, time off shorted, jobs eliminated, workloads increased, salaries reduced, and so on. In the private industry, the teachers I saw making $70-$80k would have either been laid off or they'd be now making $45-50k, no pension, working through the summer, and guess what, they would have no trouble filling those jobs.

So if it's so much more appealing than the private industry, leave private industry and go get a cushy teaching job... I don't understand the problem honestly

 

[Colicat]

stopped reading soon as you got to BELOW AVG SALARY

after i posted at least 3 times that they are above avg AND have 4 months off and are still above avg

lets take your extra 10k.... and subtract 4 months of pay..... now who's making more?

See, that's why you need a teacher...

You should have kept reading so you could fully comprehend...

I said below average for all careers that require an advanced degree

 

[PoPimp84]

Children are easy to control because their minds are still developing, adults are far more difficult in conditioning than children. This is a FACT.

My five children are far easier to control compared to me trying to control five adults.

yea because theyre your kids, that may have something to with your easier time exerting control

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Its your kid breh. Lets not play dumb.

First of my son is five and is in the same class all day.
I wake up at 7:00am. I wake my son up at 7:30am with enough time to have him in school by 8:30. I pick him up at 4:05 or he goes to day care. His bed time is 8:30 pm. 99% of the time hes not up (still in my care through the nite).

4.5 hours per day is the time i would spend with him during the week. Thats including him having his own room going to his friends, watching tv. etc.(im also tired and im not spend that time teaching him with 19 other kids in the room either.)

hey that's on you breh... i spend way more than 8 a day with my son and lets not get into weekends

and this is 10 times worse you saying he's 5... what in the fukk is she/he teaching him for 8 hours that requires some level of difficulty?? a 5 year old? what high level of teaching would justify paying her 6 figures like some people said

better yet.... all these people talking about they should make more......

you know that comes from YOUR taxes right? so which one of y'all signing up to pay a few more percents of YOUR money, so teachers can make more than you?

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

double

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

See, that's why you need a teacher...

You should have kept reading so you could fully comprehend...

I said below average for all careers that require an advanced degree

they also require 4 months off... stop avoiding that... that's 4 months of work they aren't working... add in those 4 months and their salary would be on par

lets not even get into the fact that you don't even need an advance degree 9 out of 10 times... a bachelor will do you just fine

 

[Amphibious]

yea because theyre your kids, that may have something to with your easier time exerting control

I have control over all children, and most adults. My manipulative powers have years of practice.

 

[Bilz]

So if it's so much more appealing than the private industry, leave private industry and go get a cushy teaching job... I don't understand the problem honestly

I don't want to be a teacher and I don't want to take a paycut That's not what this is about. The "problem" is that some teachers fail to realize they have it better than most people do. Then again, it's normal for people in unionized jobs to be out of touch with how things work for everyone else.

 

[Azul]

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I don't want to be a teacher and I don't want to take a paycut That's not what this is about. The "problem" is that some teachers fail to realize they have it better than most people do. Then again, it's normal for people in unionized jobs to be out of touch with how things work for everyone else.

 

[Colicat]

they also require 4 months off... stop avoiding that... that's 4 months of work they aren't working... add in those 4 months and their salary would be on par

lets not even get into the fact that you don't even need an advance degree 9 out of 10 times... a bachelor will do you just fine

Every job has fringe benefits...Some jobs you have company cars for personal use, some jobs you can telecommute, some jobs you can collect airline miles for flights the company pays for... Some jobs you get all government holidays, paid paternity leave, Christmas bonuses or summers off... You can't whine about the benefits another company pays out... Go work for those companies and be glad
I thought all teachers needed a masters degree... My bad, but the point remains

I don't want to be a teacher and I don't want to take a paycut That's not what this is about. The "problem" is that some teachers fail to realize they have it better than most people do. Then again, it's normal for people in unionized jobs to be out of touch with how things work for everyone else.

... So you are saying they don't pay you enough to teach children?

So now is anti unions not just anti teachers... Oh... Ok