Remember when Barry bonds made history
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Move this to the coliseum
Move this to the coliseum
Baseball hardly recognizes this, he's a cheater and an overall horrible human being 
Baseball hardly recognizes this, he's a cheater and an overall horrible human being
Smh..95% of all the hitters at that time were on something and steroids does not give you the ability to actually hit the ball..that is pure skill (hand eye coordination)...if he's a cheater then why didnt all the other players on roids get even close to 700 let alone 756..smh always a hater
exactly
breh hit all those home runs and also has the most walks all time, could have easily hit 800
Well first of all again, baseball doesn't even acknowledge or celebrate these records - go to their MLB page and they show love to Griffey all the time, Bonds is a tainted player.
Everybody was juicing, but bonds went overboard with his regimen and the lengths he took to conceal and lie about what he was doing: sports illustrated covered it extensively.
And that's not even talking about how notoriously horrible he was to his teammates and fans
A lot. But 95% is beyond ridiculous.
Because PEDs don't work that way.
Let's put it this way...
Wade Boggs was routinely a .360 hitter in his prime. At 41, he hovered at .300. Why is that? Did he suddenly forget how to hit? No. His body broke down, bat got a little slower. Nagging injuries linger more than before, etc.
Bonds was a HOFer before he ever took the juice. On a normal trajectory he is out of the game around 37 or 38 and probably winds up around 500-515 homers.
The juice not only allowed him to train more and harder than ever before, it mitigated the loss of bat speed that happens with advanced age (you could argue it sped it up) and improved his recovery and stamina for the MLB season.
Steroids generally aren't going to make you from a .230 hitter to a .330 hitter. Or an 8 HR guy to a 50 HR guy. But it can take you to the next level. And in Barry's case, it literally catapulted him from a top 10 player ever to a top 3-4 player ever.
(Edit - I can sense someone running to mention Brady Anderson. But his 50 homer season was a literal fluke, and a poor example of sustained PED benefits to a marginal talent)
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Crackers pissed he went from being Batman to Superman. dude should have been in the HOF
Bingo. That's why they're called performance ENHANCING drugs, not magic beans that give you abilities and skill sets
Well first of all again, baseball doesn't even acknowledge or celebrate these records - go to their MLB page and they show love to Griffey all the time, Bonds is a tainted player.
Everybody was juicing, but bonds went overboard with his regimen and the lengths he took to conceal and lie about what he was doing: sports illustrated covered it extensively.
And that's not even talking about how notoriously horrible he was to his teammates and fans
If injuries didn't derail his path Griffey could've possibly been the HR king, doing it clean too.....that swing is a thing of beauty
He had a great shot.If injuries didn't derail his path Griffey could've possibly been the HR king, doing it clean too.....that swing is a thing of beauty
Through his 1st year in Cincy he was at 438 homers. From age 31 thru 40, he hit just 192 homers (just 19 per year because of the missed games)
You have to account for age to take its toll, but Griffey played just 317 out of a possible 648 games from age 31 to 34. And those are still near-prime seasons.
You can never assume 755 but certainly 700 (or Ruth's 714) could have been within reach.
Yeah but Brady Anderson is an example....so was Bret Boone, Ken Caminiti, and yes Sammy Sosa. Sosa went from a marginal talent to hitting 60+ in multiple seasons...
Yeah you figure the amount of games he missed, plus I'm sure there's games he played hurt... if he could've stayed relatively healthy, and prolly stayed in the AL, where he could've DHed a lot, I easily see him passing Ruth. But respect to Aaron it wouldn't be easy to get to 755.
I don't agree with any of them except Caminiti and Sosa.
And Sosa was young enough when he got on the juice that I think the combination of the juice and him growing into his body created a sort of perfect storm.
But even if I gave you all 4...
That's what?
4 guys. Out of the few thousand players that came around from 1990 to 2007 or so??
What I'm saying is...that sort of proves that the exception to the rule is just that. An exception