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Remote said:
I don't agree with any of them except Caminiti and Sosa.

And Sosa was young enough when he got on the juice that I think the combination of the juice and him growing into his body created a sort of perfect storm.

But even if I gave you all 4...
That's what?
4 guys. Out of the few thousand players that came around from 1990 to 2007 or so??
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Nah Sosa wasn't that good at all in the beginning of his career. That's a monumental leap.

Bret Boone (and Rich Aurilia) are perfect examples of steroids.


There's more than just 4. Canseco juiced his entire career, McGuire for most of his career. Palmeiro, Ivan Rodriguez, Juan gonzo, giambi, Tejada, etc.

Brady Anderson went from never hitting 21 hrs in a season to hitting 50:mjlol:

I ain't knockin it really cuz it kinda saved baseball at the time, but imo Canseco is more accurate with his 80-85% of players he knew were on it, but some do it better than others.

Makes me respect Griffey even more for how good he was during these times clean.
 
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GOAT hitter, and yea he was on roids, but so were all the pitchers he was facing, level playing field imo. I still think the first brotha's record, Hank Aaron, was more impressive though, just considering he was like half Bond's size and was before the steroid era.

It's also so obviously racist how white people consider Brady the NFL GOAT when he is part of the biggest cheating scumbag team in SPORTS history. But they are quick to dismiss Bonds achievements.
 
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Remote said:
He had a great shot.
Through his 1st year in Cincy he was at 438 homers. From age 31 thru 40, he hit just 192 homers (just 19 per year because of the missed games)

You have to account for age to take its toll, but Griffey played just 317 out of a possible 648 games from age 31 to 34. And those are still near-prime seasons.

You can never assume 755 but certainly 700 (or Ruth's 714) could have been within reach.
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We'd be talking A LOT more about how great Ken Griffey was if it weren't for Bonds
 
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gabbo said:
We'd be talking A LOT more about how great Ken Griffey was if it weren't for Bonds
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Probably.

Even without the juice I'd still lean toward Bonds as having been the better overall player. But maybe my view changes if Griffey stayed healthy and put together a longer stretch of consistency.
 
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Its really odd to me that San Francisco Giants have won THREE World Series in the past decade and have the best baseball player (at least hitter if you wish to argue) of all time in Barry Bonds and is hardly mentioned like the Yankees, Red Sox or bum ass LA Dodgers :dwillhuh:

the bum ass Astros got more love on ESPN even before the scandal :dwillhuh:



No one ever talks about the Giants world series :dwillhuh:
 
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Baseball hardly recognizes this, he's a cheater and an overall horrible human being :manny:
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Well first of all again, baseball doesn't even acknowledge or celebrate these records - go to their MLB page and they show love to Griffey all the time, Bonds is a tainted player.

Everybody was juicing, but bonds went overboard with his regimen and the lengths he took to conceal and lie about what he was doing: sports illustrated covered it extensively.

And that's not even talking about how notoriously horrible he was to his teammates and fans :comeon:
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I met many a few times he was always cool.
Barry didn't juice more then others he just did it the best!!!

2001-2004 bonds never seen anything like him in any sport beside Jordan, truly must see TV
 
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Remote said:
A lot. But 95% is beyond ridiculous.



Because PEDs don't work that way.

Let's put it this way...
Wade Boggs was routinely a .360 hitter in his prime. At 41, he hovered at .300. Why is that? Did he suddenly forget how to hit? No. His body broke down, bat got a little slower. Nagging injuries linger more than before, etc.

Bonds was a HOFer before he ever took the juice. On a normal trajectory he is out of the game around 37 or 38 and probably winds up around 500-515 homers.

The juice not only allowed him to train more and harder than ever before, it mitigated the loss of bat speed that happens with advanced age (you could argue it sped it up) and improved his recovery and stamina for the MLB season.

Steroids generally aren't going to make you from a .230 hitter to a .330 hitter. Or an 8 HR guy to a 50 HR guy. But it can take you to the next level. And in Barry's case, it literally catapulted him from a top 10 player ever to a top 3-4 player ever.

(Edit - I can sense someone running to mention Brady Anderson. But his 50 homer season was a literal fluke, and a poor example of sustained PED benefits to a marginal talent)
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Your understating how great bonds was before every touching juice.

Before juice he wasnt a top 10 player he was a top 3 player, he already had 3 MVP's and multiple homerun titles before ever touching gear.
 
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Truefan31 said:
Nah Sosa wasn't that good at all in the beginning of his career. That's a monumental leap.

Bret Boone (and Rich Aurilia) are perfect examples of steroids.


There's more than just 4. Canseco juiced his entire career, McGuire for most of his career. Palmeiro, Ivan Rodriguez, Juan gonzo, giambi, Tejada, etc.

Brady Anderson went from never hitting 21 hrs in a season to hitting 50:mjlol:

I ain't knockin it really cuz it kinda saved baseball at the time, but imo Canseco is more accurate with his 80-85% of players he knew were on it, but some do it better than others.

Makes me respect Griffey even more for how good he was during these times clean.
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Add Juan Gonzalez and lenny dystra darren daulton, and nolan Ryan throwing 95 mile an hour fastballs at 45 to that list.

Giambi too, gary Sheffield, and fat Albert to that list
 
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itsyoung!! said:
Its really odd to me that San Francisco Giants have won THREE World Series in the past decade and have the best baseball player (at least hitter if you wish to argue) of all time in Barry Bonds and is hardly mentioned like the Yankees, Red Sox or bum ass LA Dodgers :dwillhuh:

the bum ass Astros got more love on ESPN even before the scandal :dwillhuh:



No one ever talks about the Giants world series :dwillhuh:
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1. No major stars on the team that casuals would know
2. they never were the favorites every year they won the championship
3. ESPN has an east coast bias
4. Their most known player besides Willie Mays is a pariah in baseball
 
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