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It's not that it is generally smarter, but folks only look at the sticker price: Rent vs Mortgage. My rent pretty much begins and ends my costs. Mortgage, prop taxes, fees for buying, regular upkeep, having to buy or service your own appliances, etc.

People talk about Rent vs Mortgage like it's the difference between buying 100% reinforced leather boots that will appreciate vs renting multiple lower quality boots over time and you won't wear either one. Ownership also means maintenance. Oh you get a pest problem? Thats out your pocket. Sump pump? Thats on you. shyt, mold in a corner of the top floor bathroom? Damn, they gotta damn near gut it to get to the root of it which turns out to be a roof leak.

No, these things don't happen all the time but anyone who actually owns a house knows that affording the mortgage does not mean affording the home. I only need to lose my income to lose my apartment. Home? Let Property taxes go up and suddenly my budget busts. Let the city finish that long-delayed restoration and now have more demand in the area...my assessments are up. Damn, there is an opportunity to move so I can pursue this job...can't just break a lease, gotta actually move an asset with all that comes with it. More often than not owning is the smart play BUT it is unquestionably more costly in total but people let the prospect of equity talk them into things they actually can't afford if just a couple of things go sideways on them. Not to mention you have to live somewhere so while all that house value talk is sweet, guess what, you sell your house for 100k more than you bought it for but all the other homes went up 100k or more in the meantime...include the maintenance and most people are never really getting over with that same equity they rah rah for.

Long term/short term benefits/opp cost are rattling people's brains. It doesn't really work well argue to people who invested so much into something, because they almost justify the cost, without talking about situations around it. You only know what you can afford, & what stage life you are on.
 

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I'll repeat this as many times as needs to be said.

As an owner, your options are:
  • Pay your own mortgage; earn equity, receive tax deductions and long-standing credit history and a marvelous hedge against inflation.
  • Rent it out and let someone else pay your mortgage; earn equity, receive tax deductions and long-standing credit history and a marvelous hedge against inflation.
  • Sell the home and cash in on your equity.
  • Pass the property down to your progeny.

As a renter, your options are:
  • Pay someone else's mortgage and the rising cost of inflation.
Exactly lmao. At the other end of every rental payment is someone building equity and income with your money.

And I just find it hilarious that these rent or die ass nikkas think that people who can afford to buy are somehow too broke to invest as well. Like I hate flexing money but my brokerage accounts are probably bigger than their entire savings.

nikkas gotta get a grip :pachaha:
 

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Exactly lmao. At the other end of every rental payment is someone building equity and income with your money.

And I just find it hilarious that these rent or die ass nikkas think that people who can afford to buy are somehow too broke to invest as well. Like I hate flexing money but my brokerage accounts are probably bigger than their entire savings.

nikkas gotta get a grip :pachaha:

We're trying not to flex, breh. You're saying the quiet part out loud. :lolbron:
 

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Take a screenshot of your portfolio of the last 6 months. I don’t need to see the money amount, but I would like to see the chart.
Is it me or was this post ignored? Because it's amazing how the "StocKs ARe A BETtEr InVEStment" folks all seem to be hitting 10% annual returns but never want to show their portfolio. :patrice:
 

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Is it me or was this post ignored? Because it's amazing how the "StocKs ARe A BETtEr InVEStment" folks all seem to be hitting 10% annual returns but never want to show their portfolio. :patrice:

Why would I want to show my portfolio on the internet? I'm not asking proclaimed homeowners to post their keys am I? Plus that nikka you quoted is a retard.

Stocks are a better investment. On average the returns are better than that on real estate historically. That this can be debated on the Coli shows the ignorance of some people on this topic.
 

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Why would I want to show my portfolio on the internet? I'm not asking proclaimed homeowners to post their keys am I? Plus that nikka you quoted is a retard.

Stocks are a better investment. On average the returns are better than that on real estate historically. That this can be debated on the Coli shows the ignorance of some people on this topic.
You're making the argument that renting is better than owning and based only on "StockS ARe BetteR".

Show us.
 

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Why would I want to show my portfolio on the internet? I'm not asking proclaimed homeowners to post their keys am I? Plus that nikka you quoted is a retard.

Stocks are a better investment. On average the returns are better than that on real estate historically. That this can be debated on the Coli shows the ignorance of some people on this topic.
I’ll post my stock portfolio and both of my houses portfolio. I asked for u to do the same since that’s what u stand by.
 

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Long term/short term benefits/opp cost are rattling people's brains. It doesn't really work well argue to people who invested so much into something, because they almost justify the cost, without talking about situations around it. You only know what you can afford, & what stage life you are on.

Facts!

It really is, which makes this debate so entertaining. You got retarded nikkas bragging about home equity and passing something on. As if their offspring will cherish their dusty 50 year old properties, or their home equity can be utilized prior to a sale of the home (except as a line of credit that's volatile)

Meanwhile they refuse to acknowledge there's an opportunity cost with every financial decision made... nah that's too harsh, they just can't comprehend it :mjlol:
 

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I’ll post my stock portfolio and both of my houses portfolio. I asked for u to do the same since that’s what u stand by.
Its clear these dudes capping lmao. I don’t get it lol. Even when I couldn’t afford certain things you never saw me downplaying shyt to make me feel better about my situation. Now you see nikkas downplaying inheritance above me.

And these dudes claim they young.

There’s absolutely no shame in not being able to afford a property at 24 or whatever. I’ve heard of faking it to you make it but never hate it until you make it. :mjlol:
 

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It's not that it is generally smarter, but folks only look at the sticker price: Rent vs Mortgage. My rent pretty much begins and ends my costs. Mortgage, prop taxes, fees for buying, regular upkeep, having to buy or service your own appliances, etc.

People talk about Rent vs Mortgage like it's the difference between buying 100% reinforced leather boots that will appreciate vs renting multiple lower quality boots over time and you won't wear either one. Ownership also means maintenance. Oh you get a pest problem? Thats out your pocket. Sump pump? Thats on you. shyt, mold in a corner of the top floor bathroom? Damn, they gotta damn near gut it to get to the root of it which turns out to be a roof leak.

No, these things don't happen all the time but anyone who actually owns a house knows that affording the mortgage does not mean affording the home. I only need to lose my income to lose my apartment. Home? Let Property taxes go up and suddenly my budget busts. Let the city finish that long-delayed restoration and now have more demand in the area...my assessments are up. Damn, there is an opportunity to move so I can pursue this job...can't just break a lease, gotta actually move an asset with all that comes with it. More often than not owning is the smart play BUT it is unquestionably more costly in total but people let the prospect of equity talk them into things they actually can't afford if just a couple of things go sideways on them. Not to mention you have to live somewhere so while all that house value talk is sweet, guess what, you sell your house for 100k more than you bought it for but all the other homes went up 100k or more in the meantime...include the maintenance and most people are never really getting over with that same equity they rah rah for.
Great posting
 

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I pay $1100 for a 2 bed 1 bath rental. If I was to buy this property I'd probably be paying double that in mortgage+home ownership costs. Do I then extrapolate and say renting > owning? No, because I'm not a dumbass, and I understand the best decision depends on the math on ground. I also didn't flunk high school algebra.
You’re making someone rich lol
 

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You're making the argument that renting is better than owning and based only on "StockS ARe BetteR".

Show us.

I am making the argument that

1. There is a significant amount that needs to be dumped into a home purchase (down payment)

2. There are unrecoverable costs involved with home ownership (closing costs, property taxes, home maintenance, mortgage interest, additional utilities, etc)

3. There is an opportunity cost involved with the down payment/unrecoverable costs: what are you foregoing by making a home purchase. The stock market is readily accessible so that is the reference point.

4. Here is the key point. Depending on home prices, rental prices (and again I have to emphasize, there is a weak link between the two, as rent is driven by rental property supply/demand) in the area, you can come out ahead if you invest your down payment and unrecoverable costs in the stock market instead and continue to rent.

5. Sometimes the homeowner will come out ahead. Sometimes the renter will come out ahead. It is rarely clear cut in either direction.

I am not arguing rent is always better than buy. I'm pushing against those who try and justify their own anecdotal purchases with the line, buy > rent. It is sometimes not the case. Only an idiot would be so absolute on this. And there are a lot of idiots on this topic. Just Google rent vs buy calculator if you think the answer is always buy
 

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Great posting
Property tax is already included in the monthly mortgages.

For the big price items that break, first, a lot of shyt doesn’t break often. Idk why y’all think that. How often does stuff in your apartment break, and even the common items that break, what’s the price of it?
To add to that, there is home warranty. I have (HSA - the Right Home Warranty for Homeowners, Real Estate Agents, and Service Providers) which is like $65 a month and covers practically everything in the house, with only a $75 down deposit.
So even if something breaks, I’m paying a max of $140, which is already covered by the rent the tenants are paying.
 
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