Report: Tyronn Lue told Lebron to STFU in huddle

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You've also implied that Bron was to blame for not meeting him half-way and that Blatt's performance in the playoffs should have been enough to convince Lebron, which.... Nah.

Nah not at all - neither are to blame for what happened.

My point has been that Blatt doesn't deserve blame in this (much less all the nonsense folk have said about him), and the all the things he should've done or did do (which pushed him out of favor) according to dudes on this board are only a result of LeBron not letting him do his thing and being an advocate of his from the beginning. LeBron's his own man and I don't think it should be held against him on what and who he wanted (no matter if you disagree with his method) when he returned to Cleveland. It's just unfortunate in the way it turned out - a coach brought on to mold a young, developing team v. a superstar who wanted to do it his way. It just irks me that dudes have turned this shyt into blaming Blatt for how this ended up as if he was maker of his demise -- he was doomed from the very start.

He took the Cavs without Kyrie and Love to the Finals and ended up pushing GS to six games, and yet dudes still called for his head.

The racial element may be overstated but there has always been a tendency to talk up the intelligence of white coaches whilst focusing on the charisma and personality of black ones. The media casting the whole thing as a Lebron coup to install one of his cronies in the coaching spot fed right into that.

I'm not ignoring that, but when this story is being told it needs to be told correctly and not done up for dramatic effect which you see far too often on this board.

 

[Greenstrings]

Nah not at all - neither are to blame for what happened.

My point has been that Blatt doesn't deserve blame in this (much less all the nonsense folk have said about him), and the all the things he should've done or did do (which pushed him out of favor) according to dudes on this board are only a result of LeBron not letting him do his thing and being an advocate of his from the beginning. LeBron's his own man and I don't think it should be held against him on what and who he wanted (no matter if you disagree with his method) when he returned to Cleveland. It's just unfortunate in the way it turned out - a coach brought on to mold a young, developing team v. a superstar who wanted to do it his way. It just irks me that dudes have turned this shyt into blaming Blatt for how this ended up as if he was maker of his demise -- he was doomed from the very start.

He took the Cavs without Kyrie and Love to the Finals and ended up pushing GS to six games, and yet dudes still called for his head.

I'm wary of casting Blatt as blameless here.
The onus was on Blatt to prove himself to Lebron. By all accounts Lebron is one of the more reasonable and conscientious superstars we've had. I don't know what he saw in Blatt's makeup and his system that rubbed him the wrong way but, if I was betting my life I'd throw in with Lebron's proven NBA record over Maccabi ball.

Besides, there was no guarantee that Blatt being allowed to run his offense would've led them anywhere. The kind of trust and rapport between players and a coach that allows the installation of a stringent motion offense but still lets stars take over games when necessary is dearly bought and Blatt from what insiders were saying was initially too proud to cede the initiative and build up that influence from scratch. He underestimated how different the dynamics were in the NBA by his own admission and in a lot of ways, that doomed him.

Again, the idea that he did all that doesn't wash at all. Last year's run was a Lebron tour de force. Blatt contributed but more than you could say for almost any other coach in the playoffs, he was along for the ride.

I'm not ignoring that, but when this story is being told it needs to be told correctly and not done up for dramatic effect which you see far too often on this board.

Can't hate on it at all coming from one of the few places on the internet that promotes a black agenda.
If I want to see the balanced version or even the complete other side of the story I can go to actual legitimate news sources and see that.

 

[Piff Huxtable]

It's funny how some praise Lue as this great coach yet in turn shyt on Blatt when he took this team without Love and a hobbled Kyrie on a dominant postseason run to the Finals last season...

breh they were a LeBron veto away from going down 1-3 in the Bulls series
nothing dominant about that

 

[Mr_X]

Being a fatherless nikka, Lebron probably never had anyone put him in his place and tell him to shut the fukk up. I gotta commend Lue in this situation

 

[MostReal]

Respect.

If he's going to coach that team he had to lay claim to his position as the leader


Even as a LeBron hater I have to give this one the

 

[JBoy]

hell is this a big deal for, this happens all the time with coaching

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I'm wary of casting Blatt as blameless here.
The onus was on Blatt to prove himself to Lebron.

I don't think it was ever going to be a case of proving himself because LeBron had a plan and he was never a part of it, and thus never was going to be. LeBron wasn't going to go from a situation in Miami with Spo to another potential one in his hometown, and likely his last stop of his career. He wasn't given carte blanche to not have who he wanted coaching and playing beside him.

By all accounts Lebron is one of the more reasonable and conscientious superstars we've had.

I wouldn't say that at all. Especially considering how passive aggressive he is, especially during Blatt's tenure.

I don't know what he saw in Blatt's makeup and his system that rubbed him the wrong way but, if I was betting my life I'd throw in with Lebron's proven NBA record over Maccabi ball.

The problem with this is we don't really know LeBron's agenda as to why he didn't give Blatt a proper chance. Blatt probably wanted more control than LeBron was willing to concede. Or it could have been Blatt wanted LeBron to play a role he didn't want to play - either reducing his touches, putting him in a strict stretch-4 position or playing too much off the ball. We simply can't say that LeBron didn't let him do his thing for the betterment of the team, when we had Cavs players praising his offense during the Summer league/training camp, and it was simply never given a chance to fail.

I mean we saw how ISO-dominant their offense was when they scrapped the skeleton of Blatt's offense - if you are willing to be a martyr for the sake of LeBron doing what he wanted on offense rather than what might be best for the team.....

Besides, there was no guarantee that Blatt being allowed to run his offense would've led them anywhere.

Yeah because letting LeBron and Kyrie pound the ball into the ground was always going to be better.

The kind of trust and rapport between players and a coach that allows the installation of a stringent motion offense but still lets stars take over games when necessary is dearly bought and Blatt from what insiders were saying was initially too proud to cede the initiative and build up that influence from scratch. He underestimated how different the dynamics were in the NBA by his own admission and in a lot of ways, that doomed him.

Insiders that run in the same circles as LeBron. And him acknowledging his struggle with the change in culture is only reflective of fighting a losing battle rather than what he lacked in. Even after all the undermining, he still put himself at the front of the firing line and not LeBron - which he could've easily done.

Again, the idea that he did all that doesn't wash at all. Last year's run was a Lebron tour de force. Blatt contributed but more than you could say for almost any other coach in the playoffs, he was along for the ride.

You know very well what I mean. And don't deduce his role to being along for the ride more than any other coach as if he didn't need to adjust without Love and Kyrie. As if any other coach in the playoffs had to work around something similar.

Can't hate on it at all coming from one of the few places on the internet that promotes a black agenda.

If I want to see the balanced version or even the complete other side of the story I can go to actual legitimate news sources and see that.

Nah I can't fukk with that at all, because the real stories and characters get lost amongst all the faux lessus and bullshyt and we're left to cry wolf.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

breh they were a LeBron veto away from going down 1-3 in the Bulls series
nothing dominant about that

And what about all the adjustments and plays Blatt implemented that put them in the position of taking GS to six games in the Finals, or does that not matter since you only tell one side of the story?

 

[Piff Huxtable]

And what about all the adjustments and plays Blatt implemented that put them in the position of taking GS to six games in the Finals, or does that not matter since you only tell one side of the story?

I'll give him credit for that

but i also blame him for failing to adjust after game 4

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I'll give him credit for that

but i also blame him for failing to adjust after game 4

What I mean is, all the adjustments and plays throughout the playoffs (not just the Finals) that took the Cavs to that point, that he was responsible for. Do they not matter or does one mistake (if you can even call it that) outweigh all the good he did? You blame him for not adjusting after G4 when he had no more cards to play? Like somehow he needed to be blamed because his team were without their #2 and #2 options and pushed GS as far as they could with what they had? Like somehow another coach in the history of the game would've had the Cavs winning a title last season.....

 

[Piff Huxtable]

What I mean is, all the adjustments and plays throughout the playoffs (not just the Finals) that took the Cavs to that point, that he was responsible for. Do they not matter or does one mistake (if you can even call it that) outweigh all the good he did? You blame him for not adjusting after G4 when he had no more cards to play? Like somehow he needed to be blamed because his team were without their #2 and #2 options and pushed GS as far as they could with what they had? Like somehow another coach in the history of the game would've had the Cavs winning a title last season.....

no Irving no Love and they still had a shot

but the last postseason wasn't the reason he got fired

he got fired because after 19 months he still wasn't able to utilize his players in the best way possible, lost the locker room and routinely got blown out by the top teams in the west

at the same time you was ready to throw Lue under the bus after only 5 weeks (look up the thread) while willing to give Maccabiball more than the 19 months he got from the Cavs front office. Pure hypocrisy on your part.

 

[Danie84]

Wait, Ty got the juice now

 

[Greenstrings]

I don't think it was ever going to be a case of proving himself because LeBron had a plan and he was never a part of it, and thus never was going to be. LeBron wasn't going to go from a situation in Miami with Spo to another potential one in his hometown, and likely his last stop of his career. He wasn't given carte blanche to not have who he wanted coaching and playing beside him.

You're giving Lebron too much credit here. As much as he had an idea what he wanted, certain things wouldn't fall into place or be determined until things actually played out, one of those being coaching. He didn't know going in that Blatt wouldn't work out any more than we did. He just wasn't about to cede control to an unknown quantity of the bat. That's not to say he knew how Blatt would approach it, or how Blatt would be received by his teammates and the Media

I wouldn't say that at all. Especially considering how passive aggressive he is, especially during Blatt's tenure.

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Yeah, ok. Now look at the entirety of his career, consider the personality issues we've seen with other superstars and then put the passive aggressiveness in perspective.

The problem with this is we don't really know LeBron's agenda as to why he didn't give Blatt a proper chance. Blatt probably wanted more control than LeBron was willing to concede. Or it could have been Blatt wanted LeBron to play a role he didn't want to play - either reducing his touches, putting him in a strict stretch-4 position or playing too much off the ball. We simply can't say that LeBron didn't let him do his thing for the betterment of the team, when we had Cavs players praising his offense during the Summer league/training camp, and it was simply never given a chance to fail.

It could be that or any amount of contributing factors but we're reaching here if bench players talking up an impressive summer league is supposed to be meaningful.

I mean we saw how ISO-dominant their offense was when they scrapped the skeleton of Blatt's offense - if you are willing to be a martyr for the sake of LeBron doing what he wanted on offense rather than what might be best for the team.....

Yeah because letting LeBron and Kyrie pound the ball into the ground was always going to be better.

There's of course a balance to be struck here but there's knowing your scheme and there's knowing how implementing it and even just coaching it will affect the players, how it will impact on morale, how it determines the flow and pace of games. I trust Lebron's insight into that in an NBA setting more than I do Blatt's.​

No matter what kind of bball IQ and passing talent there is on the team, it's impossible to run that kind of offense in the NBA without a painstakingly crafted roster.

Insiders that run in the same circles as LeBron. And him acknowledging his struggle with the change in culture is only reflective of fighting a losing battle rather than what he lacked in. Even after all the undermining, he still put himself at the front of the firing line and not LeBron - which he could've easily done.

Insiders and Blatt himself who chafed at the idea of being treated like the new kid on the block. In his own words:

''When I came to the NBA I was under the impression that this was going to be a breeze,'' Blatt said. ''I've been coaching for 23 years at the highest level in Europe. I coached in the national-team environment, coached professional teams, coached Euroleague teams and I thought I thought I knew basketball and I thought I knew how to coach. Which, in my mind, I did.''But I realized that when I came over here it was a very, very different game with a whole new set of problems and a whole slew of things to deal with inside and outside of the game.''

Does that sound like somebody that appreciated the gravity of the challenge ahead?

You know very well what I mean. And don't deduce his role to being along for the ride more than any other coach as if he didn't need to adjust without Love and Kyrie. As if any other coach in the playoffs had to work around something similar.
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I know what you mean, just don't think it's all that meaningful I mean if Lebron had trusted Blatt to maximize the remaining talent through good coaching he wouldn't have felt the need to take on the role he did.

Nah I can't fukk with that at all, because the real stories and characters get lost amongst all the faux lessus and bullshyt and we're left to cry wolf.

Well at least on here that's fine by me. I won't indulge in it but I wont hate either cause the real stories and characters get lost long before they get here. ​

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

he got fired because after 19 months he still wasn't able to utilize his players in the best way possible, lost the locker room and routinely got blown out by the top teams in the west

at the same time you was ready to throw Lue under the bus after only 5 weeks (look up the thread) while willing to give Maccabiball more than the 19 months he got from the Cavs front office. Pure hypocrisy on your part.

Hypocrisy on my part? That is rich coming from you. You never gave Blatt a chance since the beginning. I was only simply treating Lue like y'all were Blatt. Isn't it funny how that rough patch the Cavs were going through (that Blatt was blamed for) was still constant long before he left; did it ever cross your mind that most of the problem was the team itself and not the coach?

 

[Jaylen Tatum]

next up ty will be smashing his mom