88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
I hope it does. I must've confused you for someone else re my last quote
Republicans Warn Iran Against Nuclear Deal With Obama
- Thread starter Robbie3000
- Start date
I hope it does. I must've confused you for someone else re my last quote
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...tempting-undermine-nuclear-agreement/NKQnpJS9
I guess there are multiple petitions on there. This one has crossed the threshold.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...n-logan-act-and-should-be-prosecuted/Wfxgp789
That one hasn't.
MidwestD
Clyde Frog's Shooter
really?
120k, 3k more than when I posted bout a half hour ago
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...tempting-undermine-nuclear-agreement/NKQnpJS9
88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
People are gullible as fukk if this sways them
fear is a powerful tool
88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
120k, 3k more than when I posted bout a half hour ago
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...tempting-undermine-nuclear-agreement/NKQnpJS9
The Republicans alienated everyone by doing this. I doubt they'll be indicted but election season should be interesting, I'm sure the tea bag set is sharpening their knives.
I can't recall the last issue the GOP has used anything other than fear and hysteria to sell.
88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
Why The GOP Iran Letter Is Spurring Debate Over An 18th Century Law
MARCH 11, 2015 3:45 PM ET
MILES PARKS
Its doubtful that Arkansas Sen. Tom Cotton (right) will face legal consequences for the letter he wrote to Iran. The Logan Act hasn't been used to prosecute anyone since it was passed more than 200 years ago.
Lauren Victoria Burke/AP
Updated at 5:15 p.m. ET.
It may have been politically rude, but was the open letter 47 Republican senators sent to Iran this week illegal?
As of Wednesday afternoon, more than 160,000 people had signed a petition asking the Obama administration to pursue federal charges against the senators, accusing them of violating an 18th century law.
The petition states:
"Forty-seven United States Senators committed a treasonous offense when they decided to violate the Logan Act, a 1799 law which forbids unauthorized citizens from negotiating with foreign governments."
It concludes:
"This is a clear violation of federal law. In attempting to undermine our own nation, these 47 senators have committed treason."
Experts and historical context, however, suggest that legal consequences are unlikely.
So what is the Logan Act? Unless you're familiar with rarely used, early American laws, you may have never heard of it.
It reads:
"Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
"This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply, himself or his agent, to any foreign government or the agents thereof for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects."
The law is a result of tensions between France and the U.S. toward the end of the 18th century. In 1797, President John Adams sent three special envoys to France, but negotiations stumbled and the U.S. began preparations for war.
THE TWO-WAY
Iran Calls GOP Letter 'Propaganda Ploy,' Offers To 'Enlighten' Authors
IT'S ALL POLITICS
47 GOP Senators Tell Iran They May Not Honor A Nuclear Deal
Enter George Logan, a Philadelphia Quaker and doctor. In 1798, he sailed across the Atlantic to negotiate with the French as a private citizen. The U.S. government disapproved of Logan's meddling and shortly passed the Logan Act.
Steve Vladeck, a law professor at American University Washington College of Law, says it would be tough to prosecute the 47 senators under the Logan Act.
The law makes it a crime for citizens to interfere in foreign policy "without authority of the United States." As Vladeck explains in the Lawfare blog, the Logan Act doesn't actually specify what this means, though he says most experts assume it refers to the authority of the executive branch.
He adds:
"The State Department told Congress in 1975 that 'Nothing in section 953 ... would appear to restrict members of the Congress from engaging in discussions with foreign officials in pursuance of their legislative duties under the Constitution.' That doesn't mean Members would have immunity under the Constitution's Speech and Debate Clause; it just means the statute would arguably not apply in the first place."
(Still, U.S. News & World Report quotes Vladeck as saying that the lawmakers "probably were in violation of the act, yes.")
And it's important to note that no one has ever been prosecuted under the Logan Act, according to a 2006 Congressional Research Service report. In fact, the last time someone was even indicted was in 1803 — a Kentucky farmer wrote a controversial article in a local paper, but charges weren't pursued.
In 2007, then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi caused a stir when she met with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, with some conservatives saying it violated the Logan Act.
And Slate has a list of other public figures accused of similar violations — from Sen. George McGovern to Jane Fonda and from the Rev. Jesse Jackson to President Richard Nixon.
Daniel Drezner, a professor of international politics at Tufts University and a nonresident senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, summed up the latest Logan Act debate this week in The Washington Post:
"I don't think an open letter from members of the legislative branch quite rises to Logan Act violations, but if there's ever a trolling amendment to the Logan Act, this would qualify."
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way...ign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20150311
MARCH 11, 2015 3:45 PM ET
MILES PARKS
Its doubtful that Arkansas Sen. Tom Cotton (right) will face legal consequences for the letter he wrote to Iran. The Logan Act hasn't been used to prosecute anyone since it was passed more than 200 years ago.
Lauren Victoria Burke/AP
Updated at 5:15 p.m. ET.
It may have been politically rude, but was the open letter 47 Republican senators sent to Iran this week illegal?
As of Wednesday afternoon, more than 160,000 people had signed a petition asking the Obama administration to pursue federal charges against the senators, accusing them of violating an 18th century law.
The petition states:
"Forty-seven United States Senators committed a treasonous offense when they decided to violate the Logan Act, a 1799 law which forbids unauthorized citizens from negotiating with foreign governments."
It concludes:
"This is a clear violation of federal law. In attempting to undermine our own nation, these 47 senators have committed treason."
Experts and historical context, however, suggest that legal consequences are unlikely.
So what is the Logan Act? Unless you're familiar with rarely used, early American laws, you may have never heard of it.
It reads:
"Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
"This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply, himself or his agent, to any foreign government or the agents thereof for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects."
The law is a result of tensions between France and the U.S. toward the end of the 18th century. In 1797, President John Adams sent three special envoys to France, but negotiations stumbled and the U.S. began preparations for war.
THE TWO-WAY
Iran Calls GOP Letter 'Propaganda Ploy,' Offers To 'Enlighten' Authors
IT'S ALL POLITICS
47 GOP Senators Tell Iran They May Not Honor A Nuclear Deal
Enter George Logan, a Philadelphia Quaker and doctor. In 1798, he sailed across the Atlantic to negotiate with the French as a private citizen. The U.S. government disapproved of Logan's meddling and shortly passed the Logan Act.
Steve Vladeck, a law professor at American University Washington College of Law, says it would be tough to prosecute the 47 senators under the Logan Act.
The law makes it a crime for citizens to interfere in foreign policy "without authority of the United States." As Vladeck explains in the Lawfare blog, the Logan Act doesn't actually specify what this means, though he says most experts assume it refers to the authority of the executive branch.
He adds:
"The State Department told Congress in 1975 that 'Nothing in section 953 ... would appear to restrict members of the Congress from engaging in discussions with foreign officials in pursuance of their legislative duties under the Constitution.' That doesn't mean Members would have immunity under the Constitution's Speech and Debate Clause; it just means the statute would arguably not apply in the first place."
(Still, U.S. News & World Report quotes Vladeck as saying that the lawmakers "probably were in violation of the act, yes.")
And it's important to note that no one has ever been prosecuted under the Logan Act, according to a 2006 Congressional Research Service report. In fact, the last time someone was even indicted was in 1803 — a Kentucky farmer wrote a controversial article in a local paper, but charges weren't pursued.
In 2007, then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi caused a stir when she met with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, with some conservatives saying it violated the Logan Act.
And Slate has a list of other public figures accused of similar violations — from Sen. George McGovern to Jane Fonda and from the Rev. Jesse Jackson to President Richard Nixon.
Daniel Drezner, a professor of international politics at Tufts University and a nonresident senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, summed up the latest Logan Act debate this week in The Washington Post:
"I don't think an open letter from members of the legislative branch quite rises to Logan Act violations, but if there's ever a trolling amendment to the Logan Act, this would qualify."
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way...ign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20150311
ill
Superstar
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/...ria-policy-v-todays-similar-dem-attacks-iran/
Democratic hypocrisy is a mental illness. @KingpinOG
Should we have charged Pelosi with treason?
Democratic hypocrisy is a mental illness. @KingpinOG
Should we have charged Pelosi with treason?
LogicFirst
Banned
Jews got their GOP dogs off the leash.
LogicFirst
Banned
LogicFirst
Banned
The incentive is to keep the sanctions off them dummy
bububut russia's vibrant economy (and iran's fwiw) has proven that sanctions don't work. the best way to get results is to swing your dikk around in a meaningless way and watch people cower in fear at your macho posturing. that always gets results ... go hard like vladimir putin.
ORDER_66
I am The Wrench in all your plans....
If the president got fed up and brought treason suits against them... I for one would welcome it... I mean I would just be pissed off and I wouldnt care who it crushed. there's only so much a man can take... Time for turning the other cheek is over. either you get down or Lay down...