Researchers Have Achieved Sustained Long-Distance Quantum Teleportation

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the drive for better internet is being led by entertainment consumption demands...

so just more pixels for your porn, youtube and games

most people won't make any better use of this :pachaha:

relative to modern computers quantum computing is about this level ..

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Okay @TENET , I was trying to keep it really simple but you're probably gonna push me past my own understanding if I follow you as far as you took it lol.

Not quite true. And data is not really the program (as such... really) and we are talking about running programs here.

Those states. 1 and 0, are abstractions. What they really are are HIGH and LOW states where low states could be for example 0.2v.
Yes its an abstraction but it also reflects a fundamental physical limitation. A low state can be 0.2V because you're dealing with large #'s of electrons in each bit of the system. Transistors are ever-decreasing in size (Moore's Law and all), but at some point you reach fundamental limits where your transistors will be at atomic levels. At some point you run into an absolute limit because there are a discrete # of free (semi-free?) electrons in the semiconductor and they can only be measured in a fixed # of states. That is a hard limit on how much information can be held. (In fact, the hard limit may come earlier than individual electron counting due to fundamental limitations of semiconductor material and quantum interactions between the electrons.)

But there's another level to the limitation too. Even if you have your current high # of electrons in your transistor that can communicate a spectrum of states, you still only have one bit of information. That voltage is a discrete number. It's one piece of information and can't be more than that. If you combine it with another piece of information, you've still only combined two pieces of information.




TL;DR - the speed up is related to the how that extra super-positioned "1+0 at the same time" state works against the exponential complexity explosion of classical computing problems from NP-hard, EXP and up .. the fact that the range of real (probabilistic) values in qubits is very large ("infinite" in principle) is not at all related to this speed up. It is the superposition of multiple 0,1 states (where each qubit has 2) which is.
That's completely fair - I was trying to explain it too simplistically. Another way of saying it is that a quantum qubit is not a number, a better visual metaphor is a three-dimensional map of unlimited complexity. With qubits you're not combining two numbers to get a 3rd number, you're combining two waveforms that each carry unlimited information and interact in a quantum state that does not just become a "1" or "0" but rather its own incredibly complex result.





Now.....to go full circle, it's important to note that none of this relates directly to the OP at all. The breakthrough in the OP is not a computing breakthrough, its a demonstration of the ability maintain the fidelity of quantum states over distance, which as I pointed out before is generally pursued with the goal of creating unbreakable encryption. For quantum computing, I would guess at some point it may allow you to run quantum computations and transfer intermediate results over a network rather than simply running the operation within a single computer...but I'm not certain how feasible that is.
 

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Okay @TENET , I was trying to keep it really simple but you're probably gonna push me past my own understanding if I follow you as far as you took it lol.

Yes its an abstraction but it also reflects a fundamental physical limitation. A low state can be 0.2V because you're dealing with large #'s of electrons in each bit of the system. Transistors are ever-decreasing in size (Moore's Law and all), but at some point you reach fundamental limits where your transistors will be at atomic levels. At some point you run into an absolute limit because there are a discrete # of free (semi-free?) electrons in the semiconductor and they can only be measured in a fixed # of states. That is a hard limit on how much information can be held. (In fact, the hard limit may come earlier than individual electron counting due to fundamental limitations of semiconductor material and quantum interactions between the electrons.)

But there's another level to the limitation too. Even if you have your current high # of electrons in your transistor that can communicate a spectrum of states, you still only have one bit of information. That voltage is a discrete number. It's one piece of information and can't be more than that. If you combine it with another piece of information, you've still only combined two pieces of information.

Yes I agree that classical computation architectures / models are limited to having singular deterministic values at their core and quantum computers are not.

A couple of side points. There is a belief out there that stacking ("3D") of silicon circuits is a way to get around the quantum-effects interference limit limitation (causing tunnelling for example). AIso I think the Apple-M1 is 5nm which in itself was thought unfeasible not too long ago.

"It is the first personal computer chip built using a 5 nm process"
Apple M1 - Wikipedia

The number of states per "bit" is more of an architecture and computing model area than an engineering one from a computational point of view. I graduated a while ago so I don't know how they split those formally. So "classical" computing (as it your typical PC/server) is Von-Neumann architecture with Turing Machine/Lambda Calc model of computation. The Quantum stuff must have a new arch and I suppose the model of comp stays the same .. somewhat..

Binary was a good choice with old circuits as it gives the maximum possible room for voltage-overrun. If you wanted to run old computers on decimal it would not have worked because the stored values were not accurate enough. So now in 2020 computing is stuck on base 2. It just happens to be the fact that the most efficient number encoding system is base "e" but I imagine that would be too complex for most humans to work in, so base 2 it is.

That's completely fair - I was trying to explain it too simplistically. Another way of saying it is that a quantum qubit is not a number, a better visual metaphor is a three-dimensional map of unlimited complexity. With qubits you're not combining two numbers to get a 3rd number, you're combining two waveforms that each carry unlimited information and interact in a quantum state that does not just become a "1" or "0" but rather its own incredibly complex result.

I view it like this .. if you have N qubits then you have 2^N possible simultaneous values.

see: "For a system of n components, a complete description of its state in classical physics requires only n bits, whereas in quantum physics it requires 2^n complex numbers.[3]"
Qubit - Wikipedia

So (in principle) but this is NOT how it works, in classical computing if you want to find a 64 bit key you would have to generate and try them one after the other (which is the same as concurrent in this sense as they all take computing resources (incl. time)) whereas with a quantum computer you have all possible combinations in your 64qubits at the same time and can try them all at the same time.

Now.....to go full circle, it's important to note that none of this relates directly to the OP at all. The breakthrough in the OP is not a computing breakthrough, its a demonstration of the ability maintain the fidelity of quantum states over distance, which as I pointed out before is generally pursued with the goal of creating unbreakable encryption. For quantum computing, I would guess at some point it may allow you to run quantum computations and transfer intermediate results over a network rather than simply running the operation within a single computer...but I'm not certain how feasible that is.

That it how I think they will be used initially, in a similar fashion to how jobs used to be run on mainframes. You package up your job and send it to the QC for processing. That's common in finance with pricing/simulation services, in research with supercomputers and even google/apple used that model with their translation/AI assistant services.

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Back in the early days of modern computer programming you had to know more about the physical machine. Early quantum programming, in a similar way, is going to be far more complex in the early days. It's cross-field between physicists, engineers, mathematicians, computer scientists and for at least three of those it lies at the advanced boundary of that discipline.
 

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I have a degree in biophysics and I've worked gigs in the field but not in a long time. I did do a paper on quantum teleportation back in my college days though so I'm pretty familiar with it.

First off, from what I can tell this is a practical breakthrough not a theoretical one. We've been plotting on this shyt for almost 30 years but just haven't figured out the technical side. Now it appears a technical breakthrough has been made.

But to be clear, unless something incredible and fundamental has changed, you CANNOT communicate any information faster than the speed of light. Strangely, this quantum entanglement breakthrough does not actually increase the speed at which information can travel. The reasons behind that are really complex and difficult to describe without taking a crash course in quantum behavior first, but measuring quantumly entangled particles can cause an instantaneous change occur absolutely any distance but that change doesn't give you the information in itself. To make a rough analogy its as if someone sent you an instantaneous message that was 100% gibberish, and simultaneously sent you the code for the message over fiber optics. You can see the first message immediately, but you don't know what it says until you get the code.

So this won't actually increase the speed of long-distance or interstellar messaging at all. What it will do, if some of the more radical ideas are realized, is allow advances in coding and in transferring information to the point where you might actually create unbreakable encrypted codes. The "message" sent by the entangled quantum particles would not be readable by any outside viewer (since to read it would immediately break entanglement), and the code sent by traditional means would be useless without the entangled particles, so the person who uses the code to "read" the entangled particles would have a 100% guarantee that no one in-between could have intercepted the message. There might be other advantages I'm unaware of but encryption is the one I always saw focused on.

Other aspects of quantum computing will potentially bring a new era of more complex computing with processing power far faster than currently available. Basically, rather than interacting with bits of information in a "1" or "0" state, they'll be able to compute with things still in their entangled quantum states where infinite superpositions of states between "1" and "0" can be held simultaneously. Far, far more information possible without increasing the # of particles involved.




Yes but they're very closely related. Things have to be in a quantum superposition in order to create quantum entanglement, and quantum computing and quantum communications will likely develop hand in hand.

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But using your analogy, you are speakinging gibberish and we havent recieved the message to decipher it.

In laymans terms, can you explain real world implications for this breakthrough?
 

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This reminds me of the ending of a movie I watched about aliens.

Instead of sending a message through space the aliens were able to control two particles in some random lab in the world making them switch positions in a sequence that resembled binary.

Scientists decoded it and it was a message

Very interesting stuff
 

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But using your analogy, you are speakinging gibberish and we havent recieved the message to decipher it.

In laymans terms, can you explain real world implications for this breakthrough?

It could be possible to code information in an absolutely unbreakable manner. Send messages that no other party could intercept or decode, ever.
 

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I’m a finance/econ person. I have a limited understanding of all things physics or science. Can someone who’s not retarded like me, please distill it into laymen’s terms?
 

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respect.

But using your analogy, you are speakinging gibberish and we havent recieved the message to decipher it.

In laymans terms, can you explain real world implications for this breakthrough?

1.

You could do secure communications key exchange. As super-positioned particles indicate when they have been observed you will know if your/the message has been read by anyone else.

So even if it could be broken/read it cannot be used/read/observed without the sender knowing about it, so your keys cannot be spied on.

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You could break public key encryption schemas which rely on factoring of prime numbers i.e. https/rsa, spy networks, digital signing

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Many combinatorially complex operations (which are intractable for large sets) would be rendered possible.

This would help computational medicine, resource management (bin packing, scheduling, routing), computational chemistry, improving complex systems such as weather, stock market predictions ...

In finding treatments for covid it's possible to run up models of authorised treatments and their interactions with proteins on the SARS II virus.

As this is time consuming they had to limit the test pairs to "likely matches".

In a quantum world this pre-filtering would not be required.


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@Rhakim I am not sure I agree with that information cannot be sent via superposition although I do understand that to do would break the universal speed limit and hence causality.

"c" is the universal speed limit but we have theoretical ways of working around that by not accelerating objects to "c", by displacing space etc. the universe is expanding faster than the speed of light so objects are "moving away" from each other at >c. so while we have that limit, it is a qualified limit and is more precisely a constraint on mass acceleration limits.

likewise it may be that our ideas of causality are similarly qualified by certain conditions. black holes affect causality. in the early universe there was no time (as we understand it). maybe causality is not as universal as we think.
 

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I’m a finance/econ person. I have a limited understanding of all things physics or science. Can someone who’s not retarded like me, please distill it into laymen’s terms?

Yeah watch this for the physics ..



Then watch this for the computing

 

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Yeah, I stopped reading right after that statement. I lost interest after that.

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Matter is energy + information.

Unu brehs dem nah watch Star Trek?

The sending transporter decomposes you into an information stream, sends that info and then the receiving one recomposes you.

Mass–energy equivalence - Wikipedia

That's how the holodeck TNG and the replicators work as well. Using energy + information to make matter.
 

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@Devilinurear

Matter is energy + information.

Unu brehs dem nah watch Star Trek?

The sending transporter decomposes you into an information stream, sends that info and then the receiving one recomposes you.

Mass–energy equivalence - Wikipedia

That's how the holodeck TNG and the replicators work as well. Using energy + information to make matter.

Nope, didn’t watch Star Trek. Plus science was never really my strong point in school.
 
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