Resegregation in the American South Sixty years after Brown v. Board of Education, the schools...

[No1]

never has been the answer especially when the dominant group you're trying to integrate with wants nothing to do with you.

You guys obviously didn't read that article (if it's the one I think that it is). The reason people push for desegregation is because of resources. According to the US Supreme Court one does not have a "fundamental right" to education and thus tax schemes in which the vast majority of the resources go to the better off are constitutional. When integrate schools, you force resources to be pooled and spent on those who would not have them otherwise. Scholars like Elizabeth Anderson have written on this and Central High School is a perfect example of what happens in places like this when you don't integrate. Look at the numbers:

Central was not just a renowned local high school. It was one of the South’s signature integration success stories. In 1979, a federal judge had ordered the merger of the city’s two largely segregated high schools into one. The move was clumsy and unpopular, but its consequences were profound. Within a few years, Central emerged as a powerhouse that snatched up National Merit Scholarships and math-competition victories just as readily as it won trophies in football, track, golf. James Dent’s daughter Melissa graduated from Central in 1988, during its heyday, and went on to become the first in her family to graduate from college.

The school was hardly perfect. Black students were disproportionately funneled into vocational classes, and white students into honors classes. Some parents complained that competitive opportunities were limited to just the very best students and athletes because the school, at 2,300 students, was so large. And the white flight that had begun when the courts first ordered the district to desegregate continued, slowly, after the formation of the mega-school. But despite these challenges, large numbers of black students studied the same robust curriculum as white students, and students of both races mixed peacefully and thrived.

Desegregation had been wrenching and complicated, but in Tuscaloosa and across the country, it achieved undeniable results. During the 1970s and ’80s, the achievement gap between black and white 13-year-olds was cut roughly in half nationwide. Some scholars argue that desegregation had a negligible effect on overall academic achievement. But the overwhelming body of research shows that once black children were given access to advanced courses, well-trained teachers, and all the other resources that tend to follow white, middle-income children, they began to catch up

A 2014 study conducted by Rucker Johnson, a public-policy professor at the University of California at Berkeley, published by the National Bureau of Economic Research, found desegregation’s impact on racial equality to be deep, wide, and long-lasting. Johnson examined data on a representative sample of 8,258 American adults born between 1945 and 1968, whom he followed through 2011. He found that black Americans who attended schools integrated by court order were more likely to graduate, go on to college, and earn a degree than black Americans who attended segregated schools. They made more money: five years of integrated schooling increased the earnings of black adults by 15 percent. They were significantly less likely to spend time in jail. They were healthier.

Notably, Rucker also found that black progress did not come at the expense of white Americans—white students in integrated schools did just as well academically as those in segregated schools. Other studies have found that attending integrated schools made white students more likely to later live in integrated neighborhoods and send their own children to racially diverse schools.

 

[DEAD7]

You guys obviously didn't read that article (if it's the one I think that it is). The reason people push for desegregation is because of resources. According to the US Supreme Court one does not have a "fundamental right" to education and thus tax schemes in which the vast majority of the resources go to the better off are constitutional. When integrate schools, you force resources to be pooled and spent on those who would not have them otherwise. Scholars like Elizabeth Anderson have written on this and Central High School is a perfect example of what happens in places like this when you don't integrate. Look at the numbers:

... and fixing the highlighted isnt a feasible option?

 

[tmonster]

You guys obviously didn't read that article (if it's the one I think that it is). The reason people push for desegregation is because of resources. According to the US Supreme Court one does not have a "fundamental right" to education and thus tax schemes in which the vast majority of the resources go to the better off are constitutional. When integrate schools, you force resources to be pooled and spent on those who would not have them otherwise. Scholars like Elizabeth Anderson have written on this and Central High School is a perfect example of what happens in places like this when you don't integrate. Look at the numbers:

good post
there are forces that seek regression for the core reason you point to

 

[No1]

... and fixing the highlighted isnt a feasible option?

You fix it by electing people who are willing to fix it. Now why would the people benefiting from a school system of that sort vote to change it....

Know thy history. I am explicity referencing what the court set out in San Antonio v. Rodriguez in which Thurgood Marshall delivered one of the greatest dissents that I have ever read.

RODRÍGUEZ V. SAN ANTONIO ISD. Rodríguez et al. v. San Antonio ISD, a class-action suit, was a 1971 landmark case in which a federal district court declared the Texas school-finance system unconstitutional. The case followed the work of the School Improvement League, a San Antonio organization that battled racial and class inequities in the San Antonio schools although not through legal action. The state of Texas had not addressed school-finance reform since 1949, when the Gilmer-Aikin Laws were passed. On May 16, 1968, 400 students at Edgewood High School in San Antonio held a walk-out and demonstration, and marched to the district administration office. Ninety percent of the students in the Edgewood district were of Mexican origin. Among the students' grievances were insufficient supplies and the lack of qualified teachers. The walkout induced parents to form the Edgewood District Concerned Parents Association, which sought to address problems in the schools. The group consisted of Alberta Snid, Demetrio Rodríguez, and other parents, mostly mothers. Rodríguez, a veteran and sheet-metal worker at Kelly Air Force Base, had worked with the American G.I. Forum, the League of United Latin American Citizens, and the Mexican-American Betterment Organization in San Antonio. William Velásquez, an activist in San Antonio, connected the parents' group with lawyer Arthur Gochman, who appealed unsuccessfully to the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund for assistance. On July 10, 1968, Rodríguez and seven other Edgewood parents filed on behalf of Texas schoolchildren who were poor or resided in school districts with low property-tax bases. They claimed their school district had one of the highest tax rates in the county but raised only $37 per pupil, while Alamo Heights, Bexar County's wealthiest district, raised $413 per student. Studies revealed that in Bexar County the tax rate per $100 property value needed to equalize education funding was $0.68 for Alamo Heights but $5.76 for Edgewood.

Defendants included the State Board of Education, the commissioner of education, the state attorney general, and the Bexar County Board of Trustees. In January 1969 a three-judge federal district court was impaneled because Rodríguez challenged a state law on federal grounds. Gochman's argument rested upon two major claims that no federal court had accepted. The first was that the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution made education a "fundamental right," and the second was that poor and Mexican-American families were treated as a "suspect class." The state countered that the Texas legislature had authorized a study of school finance, and Judge Adrian Spears delayed hearing the case so that the Texas Legislature might solve the issue. But the legislature closed its session in 1971 without acting. The three-judge court ruled on Rodríguez in December 23, 1971. The panel held the Texas school-finance system unconstitutional under the "equal protection" clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. The state appealed, and the case went to the United States Supreme Court as San Antonio Independent School District v. Rodríguez. The attorneys general of twenty-five states filed amicus briefs on Rodríguez's side.

On March 21, 1973, the Supreme Court ruled five to four against Rodríguez, stating that the system of school finance did not violate the federal constitution and that the issue should be resolved by the state of Texas. It also held that the state would not be required to subsidize poorer school districts. This ruling in effect produced additional legal barriers to equalization. The court denied a rehearing on April 23, 1973. Justice Thurgood Marshall, however, called the decision "a retreat from our historic commitment to equality of educational opportunity." Rodríguez responded to the decision, "The poor people have lost again."

 

[DEAD7]

On March 21, 1973, the Supreme Court ruled five to four against Rodríguez, stating that the system of school finance did not violate the federal constitution and that the issue should be resolved by the state of Texas. It also held that the state would not be required to subsidize poorer school districts. This ruling in effect produced additional legal barriers to equalization.

An overhaul of the school finance system is in order.Period.
Having to attend school with the affluent in order to receive adequate funding is appalling. I don't understand how this is accepted and advocated... Those at the top have basically compromised and devised a system where a controllable number of minorities receive a proper education.

... and we accept it and argue for it.
Voluntary segregation should be fine, and there should be no difference in public funding.

Spoiler

This is news to me and if there is anything I'm missing/misinterpreting, please speak on it.

 

[88m3]

An overhaul of the school finance system is in order.Period.
Having to attend school with the affluent in order to receive adequate funding is appalling. I don't understand how this is accepted and advocated... Those at the top have basically compromised and devised a system where a controllable number of minorities receive a proper education.

... and we accept it and argue for it.
Voluntary segregation should fine, and there should be no difference in public funding.

Spoiler

This is news to me and if there is anything I'm missing/misinterpreting, please speak on it.

Why am I not surprised you have no grasp of how school taxes work.

 

[wheywhey]

You guys obviously didn't read that article (if it's the one I think that it is). The reason people push for desegregation is because of resources. According to the US Supreme Court one does not have a "fundamental right" to education and thus tax schemes in which the vast majority of the resources go to the better off are constitutional. When integrate schools, you force resources to be pooled and spent on those who would not have them otherwise. Scholars like Elizabeth Anderson have written on this and Central High School is a perfect example of what happens in places like this when you don't integrate. Look at the numbers:

If anything the information you provided is an indictment of the sad state of the black family. It is saying that without the advocacy of white parents the black child is doomed because their own parents aren't going to help them. Rucker Johnson studied blacks born between 1945 and 1968 and it can be argued accurately that their parents were so disenfranchised and uneducated that they were not in any position to advocate for their children. However, what about D'Leisha's mother? Melissa is a college graduate and if the article is correct, she is doing nothing to help her daughter get into college. She never noticed how far behind her child was? Also, who and where is D'Leisha''s father?

The economist Thomas Sowell had a developmentally delayed son. Sowell researched colleges and his son graduated with a degree in statistics with a concentration in computer science.

Every year I read about a different black family that has one or more teenagers graduate from college. Black children who didn't need to sit next to white children in order to get an adult to pay attention to them. If a parent nurtures a child's interests like Condoleezza Rice's parents did, the child will succeed.

 

[DEAD7]

Why am I not surprised you have no grasp of how school taxes work.

You must of missed the part where I asked those knowledgeable to speak on what I am missing...

But then again you probably have no idea yourself, and think pointing out my ignorance will conceal your own.
I ain't mad, do you

 

[MeachTheMonster]

An overhaul of the school finance system is in order.Period.
Having to attend school with the affluent in order to receive adequate funding is appalling. I don't understand how this is accepted and advocated... Those at the top have basically compromised and devised a system where a controllable number of minorities receive a proper education.

... and we accept it and argue for it.
Voluntary segregation should fine, and there should be no difference in public funding.

Spoiler

This is news to me and if there is anything I'm missing/misinterpreting, please speak on it.

This is what I've been saying the entire time when talking about schools needing resources. The lines are purposely drawn to give the most disadvantaged kids the least amount of recourses. Then they blame "culture" as for for why these kids are behind.

It's terrible and really needs to change. Public education should be equal opportunity for ALL Americans.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

If anything the information you provided is an indictment of the sad state of the black family. It is saying that without the advocacy of white parents the black child is doomed because their own parents aren't going to help them. Rucker Johnson studied blacks born between 1945 and 1968 and it can be argued accurately that their parents were so disenfranchised and uneducated that they were not in any position to advocate for their children. However, what about D'Leisha's mother? Melissa is a college graduate and if the article is correct, she is doing nothing to help her daughter get into college. She never noticed how far behind her child was? Also, who and where is D'Leisha''s father?

The economist Thomas Sowell had a developmentally delayed son. Sowell researched colleges and his son graduated with a degree in statistics with a concentration in computer science.

Every year I read about a different black family that has one or more teenagers graduate from college. Black children who didn't need to sit next to white children in order to get an adult to pay attention to them. If a parent nurtures a child's interests like Condoleezza Rice's parents did, the child will succeed.

Have poor reading comprehension brehs

Article said nothing about sitting next to white folks. It's talking about the way money is divided in the school districts to purposely send more tax dollars away from minorities.

And is that the new line?

"We'll if condolezza rice can do it........."

 

[Serious]

Have poor reading comprehension brehs

Article said nothing about sitting next to white folks. It's talking about the way money is divided in the school districts to purposely send more tax dollars away from minorities.

And is that the new line?

"We'll if condolezza rice can do it........."

Yep, I've been seeing a lot of straw mans around here lately

 

[Insensitive]

I could have sworn we'd already talked about the
disparities in resources between these schools or was that
just hand waved away with another dumb comment that essentially
equates any inequality with minority incompetence ?

 

[theworldismine13]

why do people keep saying its not about sitting next to white people when that is what the whole article is about

if the current system isnt allowing enough funding then imo that is reason enough for black people to demand the end of the public school system

 

[wheywhey]

Saving Central - In Tuscaloosa today, nearly one in three black students attends a school that looks as if Brown v. Board of Education never happened. Central High is one of those schools. Meet Principal Clarence Sutton Jr. as he fights to save his students from the effects of resegregation.

 

[theworldismine13]

Saving Central - In Tuscaloosa today, nearly one in three black students attends a school that looks as if Brown v. Board of Education never happened. Central High is one of those schools. Meet Principal Clarence Sutton Jr. as he fights to save his students from the effects of resegregation.

Saving central from black people?