Reverse Racism: (non gundumb edition)

[theworldismine13]

First you say that you don't know the answer to my question, then you turn right around and say that the answer is obvious. This is why I don't waste my time going essay for essay with you all, you're just not that bright. Not trying to be mean but it is what it is.

I dont know the history of the word cracker and how it became a slur, but I thought it was understood that it was a slur against whites

So I am not contradicting myself

No I do not know the history of the word cracker, but I have always known that it was a slur against white people

It's the same thing for kike for example, I have no idea where that word came from but I know it's a slur toward jews

So using that analogy it's like you are asking me to prove that kike is a slur toward jews, when it's understood that its a slur toward Jews, it's not something you have to prove, becuase it's obvious

 

[Mr. Pink]

Don't play word games, insulting and disparaging mean about same thing. What makes the word itself disparaging?

Brown Pride, I've told you that I'm not going to engage you until you show that you are of reasonable intelligence. You've failed to do that, so don't quote me unless you just feel like being insulted.

What makes the word itself disparaging is the intent behind it.
The intent behind it is to refer to white people as a whole in a condescending(at the very least) manner.

You say you use it as slang. If you don't mind, let me ask you a few questions:
-you claim you don't know/don't agree that 'cac' is offensive. You have black people in this thread telling you it's offensive. You have white people in this thread telling you it's offensive. The very fact that this is being discussed shows that it's a sensitive issue. Shouldn't you avoid it altogether, just to be on the safe side or avoid confusion and conflict?
-hypothetically, if white people would want to use a slang term for blacks, or latinos, or asians, what slang terms would be acceptable?

Just for the record, your agument is the same argument used by racist old timers. They use ******, spic, paddy, kike, chink etc. all the time and when confronted about it they go "I don't say it to offend, that's just the way people talked on the street/ in the neighbourhood in my day".

 

[daze23]

Don't play word games, insulting and disparaging mean about same thing. What makes the word itself disparaging?

BS. I use the word cracker as a slang term for white people, nothing more nothing less. Why don't you explain how the term cracker is racist. I haven't gotten a legit answer for that question yet. When did cracker become a racist term?

Edit- if you can't respond without typing an essay full of drivel in incomplete sentences, then disregard this post.

if anything that just goes back to what I said about when your intent for using a word is different from how the majority uses it. but I don't even think you're making an honest argument here

 

[MeachTheMonster]

I don't really agree with that but as long as you stay consistent I can respect that

so I take it you don't have a problem with Paltrow and v nasty and other white people saying nikka, as long as they don't mean anything racist

For me it's different from case to case. I didn't have a problem with Paltrow cause she was at a concert with "nikkas in Paris" and they named their song that.

V nasty on the other hand just comes off as an ignorant little white girl trying to fit in. I don't think she's racist just stupid.

 

[theworldismine13]

For me it's different from case to case. I didn't have a problem with Paltrow cause she was at a concert with "nikkas in Paris" and they named their song that.

V nasty on the other hand just comes off as an ignorant little white girl trying to fit in. I don't think she's racist just stupid.

Ok that's fine, so for the record, according to you it's ok for white people to say nikka as long as its not racist and vice versa it's ok for black people to say cac or cracker as long as it's not meant in a racist way

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Ok that's fine, so for the record it's ok for white people to say nikka as long as its not racist

As long as they respect me and the history of the word i have no problem with it. If you are singing a song, describing an event, repeating a quote, etc. Or if you grew up in the hood, than I have no problem with it. But if your running around saying it just cause you got a pass than you are not respecting the history of the word.

While typing this I realized something. You guys can say you feel disrespected by the word and you don't like it's use. And i understand that.But you can't say that people are being "reverse racist" just because they use the word.

Here on an informal message board "respect" isn't the first thing on people's minds. So allot of things get a pass. In person I probably wouldn't call you a CAC unless you really deserved it. But here we do nothing but clown and talk shyt anyway so

Also most people come here to discuss hiphop/black culture. Like it or not being white makes you an outsider, and sometimes it's fun to poke fun at outsiders. Don't take it personal cause if you havnt noticed we hurl insults at each other too. It comes with the territory.

 

[theworldismine13]

As long as they respect me and the history of the word i have no problem with it. If you are singing a song, describing an event, repeating a quote, etc. Or if you grew up in the hood, than I have no problem with it. But if your running around saying it just cause you got a pass than you are not respecting the history of the word.

While typing this I realized something. You guys can say you feel disrespected by the word and you don't like it's use. And i understand that.But you can't say that people are being "reverse racist" just because they use the word.

Here on an informal message board "respect" isn't the first thing on people's minds. So allot of things get a pass. In person I probably wouldn't call you a CAC unless you really deserved it. But here we do nothing but clown and talk shyt anyway so

Also most people come here to discuss hiphop/black culture. Like it or not being white makes you an outsider, and sometimes it's fun to poke fun at outsiders. Don't take it personal cause if you havnt noticed we hurl insults at each other too. It comes with the territory.

Breh I don't need an essay I'm just clarifying that you think it's ok for white people to say nicca as long as they don't mean it in a racist way

 

[Gravity]

if anything that just goes back to what I said about when your intent for using a word is different from how the majority uses it. but I don't even think you're making an honest argument here

Still haven't taken the time to knowledge the term cracker huh? What are you waiting on? The question I posed to you hasn't been answered yet.

What makes the word itself disparaging is the intent behind it.
The intent behind it is to refer to white people as a whole in a condescending(at the very least) manner.Ok so it's not the word, it's the context that it's being used in. That makes perfect sense to me. Glad to see someone with common sense.

You say you use it as slang. If you don't mind, let me ask you a few questions:
-you claim you don't know/don't agree that 'cac' is offensive. You have black people in this thread telling you it's offensive. You have white people in this thread telling you it's offensive. The very fact that this is being discussed shows that it's a sensitive issue. Shouldn't you avoid it altogether, just to be on the safe side or avoid confusion and conflict?No
-hypothetically, if white people would want to use a slang term for blacks, or latinos, or asians, what slang terms would be acceptable?White people have had terms for people of color for hundreds of years, the reason that they aren't considered acceptable is because all of those terms have racist origins. The term cracker doesn't have a racist orgin, it's was originally used by whites to describe other whites. White people originally referred to themselves as crackers. That term wasnt created by nonwhites as a way to demean the white race, an that's why it's not a racist term. It's simple really.

Just for the record, your agument is the same argument used by racist old timers. They use ******, spic, paddy, kike, chink etc. all the time and when confronted about it they go "I don't say it to offend, that's just the way people talked on the street/ in the neighbourhood in my day".No, you're wrong. I just explained the difference between the terms you just listed and the term cracker. Why do you people have such trouble understanding simple shyt?

 

[daze23]

Still haven't taken the time to knowledge the term cracker huh? What are you waiting on? The question I posed to you hasn't been answered yet.

Cracker, sometimes white cracker, is a racial slur for white people, poor and Southern whites especially

usually disparaging : a poor usually Southern white

Racist term for a white person

(US, pejorative, racial slur) An impoverished white person from the southeastern United States, originally associated with Georgia and parts of Florida; by extension: any white person.

Slang: Disparaging and Offensive . a poor white person living in some rural parts of the southeastern U.S.

Used as a disparaging term for a white person.

 

[theworldismine13]

Still haven't taken the time to knowledge the term cracker huh? What are you waiting on? The question I posed to you hasn't been answered yet.

I find it mind boggling that somebody would try to intellectualize the use of racial slurs or slang, that's laughable

I would respect it more if people said they say cac or cracker cuz I fuking feel like it, be a man don't hide behind some trivial historically dubious information

 

[Mr. Pink]

Ok so it's not the word, it's the context that it's being used in. That makes perfect sense to me. Glad to see someone with common sense.

There can only be one context, and it's not a positive one.

No

White people have had terms for people of color for hundreds of years, the reason that they aren't considered acceptable is because all of those terms have racist origins. The term cracker doesn't have a racist orgin, it's was originally used by whites to describe other whites. White people originally referred to themselves as crackers. That term wasnt created by nonwhites as a way to demean the white race, an that's why it's not a racist term. It's simple really.

You haven't really answered my question. Yes, those terms are racist. So what would be appropriate, hypothetically?

 

[Brown_Pride]

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Originally Posted by Gravity
Still haven't taken the time to knowledge the term cracker huh? What are you waiting on? The question I posed to you hasn't been answered yet.
Quote:
Originally Posted by wiki
Cracker, sometimes white cracker, is a racial slur for white people, poor and Southern whites especially
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Originally Posted by Merriam-Webster
usually disparaging : a poor usually Southern white
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Originally Posted by Urban Dictionary
Racist term for a white person
Quote:
Originally Posted by wiktionary
(US, pejorative, racial slur) An impoverished white person from the southeastern United States, originally associated with Georgia and parts of Florida; by extension: any white person.
Quote:
Originally Posted by dictionary.com
Slang: Disparaging and Offensive . a poor white person living in some rural parts of the southeastern U.S.
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Originally Posted by freedictionary.com
Used as a disparaging term for a white person.

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Ignorant Bas/tards: "bu..buh...but i don't mean it in a bad way."

 

[Brown_Pride]

Sure you can say comparing both terms to idiot is the same if you think racism and being a racist is the act of insulting someone based on their race.

But that would be idiotic

Racism is DEFINED as a belief that your race is superior to others. Even if you want to ignore context (which would be stupid) and systematic support of racism, you're not even using the word properly.

Racism is not simply an insult to somebody based on their skin color.

See thsi is why i'm for back to basic teaching. If someone would have shown you how to use a dictionary this argument would have been dead 8 pages ago.
Racism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

1: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination

Prejudice - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

1. : injury or damage resulting from some judgment or action of another in disregard of one's rights; especially : detriment to one's legal rights or claims
2
a (1) : preconceived judgment or opinion (2) : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge
b : an instance of such judgment or opinion
c : an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics

definitions can be a biotch no?

 

[Gravity]

I didn't ask you to post made up definitions. I asked you to point to the time in history when the term became a racial slur. Instead of posting made up definitions from sites like wiktionary and urban dictionary.com, why dont you do some actual reading? Post the history and origin of the term.

I find it mind boggling that somebody would try to intellectualize the use of racial slurs or slang, that's laughable

I would respect it more if people said they say cac or cracker cuz I fuking feel like it, be a man don't hide behind some trivial historically dubious information

That's exactly what I said. Like i said, you seem ti have trouble comprehending simple stuff. I use cracker as slang because I feel like it. It's not a racist term it's slang. Its only offensive if it's used in an offensive way. White people who are offended by that term are overly sensitive.

There can only be one context, and it's not a positive one.
You're wrong. The original context in which the term cracker was used had nothing to do with race and it wast necessarily negative.

You haven't really answered my question. Yes, those terms are racist. So what would be appropriate, hypothetically?A term that we as black people invented to refer to ourselves. How about "brother or brotha". You crackers can use that 1 all you want.

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

No one gave a damn about racial slurs pre CAC. No one cared about the liberal use of nikka by blacks and non blacks alike. But nooooooow that white people are a target we all need to grow up.

CAC is a stand in for white person. If I say white person instead of CAC the context and intent of my message will remain the same. CAC is just quicker to type.

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