Revis getting at Sherman

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

Yes it is. Namdi was a pure man to man cb and went to eagles and got ultra exposed. Revis wasn’t good in lovie Tampa 2 defense, unlike somebody popcorn tilman who was a ultra elite in it. Asante Samuels was another elite zone cb

I’m not saying some aren’t better than others but there’s a reason the phrase is “lockdown corner”

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

Why is it that folks who bring up Moss never take it from Moss mouth that Revis was the best corner he ever faced?

I don’t think it’s even close on who football people would say is better. Sherman is just really popular because he’s been a great player on great teams.

 

[murksiderock]

I don’t think it’s even close on who football people would say is better. Sherman is just really popular because he’s been a great player on great teams.

Football people voted that Sherman was better, unless the players who actually played with these guys don't count. The Coli gonna have to explain to me when "what players say" counts, and when it doesn't hahahaha...

In the years that they both were elite at the same time, 2012-2015, Revis didn't get a single vote for DPOY. Sherman got 4 votes in 2013, or do those votes not count and those aren't "football people"?

I was and remain a Revis fan, but the juelzing that it is a landslide that Revis is thought of as a better CB is not consistent with the evidence of what people thought when both were elite at the same time, and is some of the strongest narrative-spinning and revisionism I've seen on this board as a while...

Now again, we can talk about the years Revis was great that Sherm was in college lol, or we could talk about the years Sherm has managed to be great while Revis has been retired, just know that those convos aren't apples to apples, and even then you'd have to do some serious reaching to say it's in favor of Revis in a landslide...

But in the four year window that both were considered elite players at the same time, it's clear who players and football people thought were better, and his name isn't Darrelle Revis...

 

[Hov]

Football people voted that Sherman was better, unless the players who actually played with these guys don't count. The Coli gonna have to explain to me when "what players say" counts, and when it doesn't hahahaha...

In the years that they both were elite at the same time, 2012-2015, Revis didn't get a single vote for DPOY. Sherman got 4 votes in 2013, or do those votes not count and those aren't "football people"?

I was and remain a Revis fan, but the juelzing that it is a landslide that Revis is thought of as a better CB is not consistent with the evidence of what people thought when both were elite at the same time, and is some of the strongest narrative-spinning and revisionism I've seen on this board as a while...

Now again, we can talk about the years Revis was great that Sherm was in college lol, or we could talk about the years Sherm has managed to be great while Revis has been retired, just know that those convos aren't apples to apples, and even then you'd have to do some serious reaching to say it's in favor of Revis in a landslide...

But in the four year window that both were considered elite players at the same time, it's clear who players and football people thought were better, and his name isn't Darrelle Revis...

The bolded isn't true at all...what are you talking about and who are you referring to?

And I am an actual "football person" with NFLn& NCAA player and coaching ties - please elaborate .

I've never heard anyone say Prime Sherman was better than Prime Revis, it was laughed out of my FB group chat yesterday, and I saw Undisputed where everyone said Prime Revis was better, no argument, but he shouldn't have dissed Sherman post-retirement...

 

[Prodyson]

Uhh no he doesn't.
Revis missed 2 or 3 weeks his 9th season and got 5ints and 4 fumbles with no additional playoff games to accumulate. Sherman about to play his 18th game this season and still hasn't beat those numbers this year.

I see you were talking about their 9th seasons. I was talking about career stats. My mistake.

 

[murksiderock]

The bolded isn't true at all...what are you talking about and who are you referring to?

And I am an actual "football person" with NFLn& NCAA player and coaching ties - please elaborate .

I've never heard anyone say Prime Sherman was better than Prime Revis, it was laughed out of my FB group chat yesterday, and I saw Undisputed where everyone said Prime Revis was better, no argument, but he shouldn't have dissed Sherman post-retirement...

Did you read my posts on the previous page?

NFL 100 is voted on by the players, who voted that Sherm was better four years in a row. Its easy to cherry pick former players or opinionists to get on TV, it's a money and ratings thing, but the players voted Shern was better over and over and over....and over again...

Revis didn't get a single DPOY vote the years their primes overlapped, so while you may not know anybody who thinks Sherm was better, "football people" have actually already voted. You don't have to know these people and in your own words, you don't, but they already voted on who they thought was better. The percentage of people who get 5 minutes on TV to tell everyone how much greater they see Revis, is insignificant when there were already votes on how people thought of them both at the same time...

And in my memory, I never thought either was significantly better, I thought they were two sides of the same thing. Different skill sets, they excelled in those different skill sets to the highest degree...

 

[Tony D'Amato]

Yes it is. Namdi was a pure man to man cb and went to eagles and got ultra exposed. Revis wasn’t good in lovie Tampa 2 defense, unlike somebody popcorn tilman who was a ultra elite in it. Asante Samuels was another elite zone cb

Ronde was the goat cover 2 corner. Revis was not trash in Tampa. But Revis really wasn't a risk taker or ball hog. U have to take some risk being a zone corner. Its definitely not as easy as one would think, but is easier than doing what Revis did with minimal help over the top.

Nnamdi lived off rep after his first 2 seasons. And it wasnt like he had a cromartie opposite him. Teams had to throw at Revis at times, cuz Cromartie was so good. Raiders d was trash everywhere else, so teams just decided to attack everywhere else. And like Sherm, Nnamdi wasnt following #1 wrs around.

Did you read my posts on the previous page?

NFL 100 is voted on by the players, who voted that Sherm was better four years in a row. Its easy to cherry pick former players or opinionists to get on TV, it's a money and ratings thing, but the players voted Shern was better over and over and over....and over again...

Revis didn't get a single DPOY vote the years their primes overlapped, so while you may not know anybody who thinks Sherm was better, "football people" have actually already voted. You don't have to know these people and in your own words, you don't, but they already voted on who they thought was better. The percentage of people who get 5 minutes on TV to tell everyone how much greater they see Revis, is insignificant when there were already votes on how people thought of them both at the same time...

And in my memory, I never thought either was significantly better, I thought they were two sides of the same thing. Different skill sets, they excelled in those different skill sets to the highest degree...

What yrs were these. Revis in NY was better than Sherm ever was

 

[South Paw]

I don’t think it’s even close on who football people would say is better. Sherman is just really popular because he’s been a great player on great teams.

The qb ratings against, the int numbers, the coverage ratings don't lie.

I'm not here championing sherm as better but it's def a conversation. If you trying to discredit sherm saying he can't be one of the best just because he's been in great defenses that's not fair

And.deion didn't follow either and he's one of the greatest ever

 

[murksiderock]

Ronde was the goat cover 2 corner. Revis was not trash in Tampa. But Revis really wasn't a risk taker or ball hog. U have to take some risk being a zone corner. Its definitely not as easy as one would think, but is easier than doing what Revis did with minimal help over the top.

Nnamdi lived off rep after his first 2 seasons. And it wasnt like he had a cromartie opposite him. Teams had to throw at Revis at times, cuz Cromartie was so good. Raiders d was trash everywhere else, so teams just decided to attack everywhere else. And like Sherm, Nnamdi wasnt following #1 wrs around.



What yrs were these. Revis in NY was better than Sherm ever was

2012-2015, with him playing in NY in '12 and '15 and still being considered a Top 5 CB, still wasn't considered better than Sherman by "football people" and guys who actually play the game...

I'm waiting for The Coli to give me some consistency on when "what players say" matters and when it doesn't lmao. Players voted for these guys in their primes in real time, all this extra stuff the last few days in retrospect cherry picking a handful of former players pales in comparison...

 

[Tony D'Amato]

Did you read my posts on the previous page?

NFL 100 is voted on by the players, who voted that Sherm was better four years in a row. Its easy to cherry pick former players or opinionists to get on TV, it's a money and ratings thing, but the players voted Shern was better over and over and over....and over again...

Revis didn't get a single DPOY vote the years their primes overlapped, so while you may not know anybody who thinks Sherm was better, "football people" have actually already voted. You don't have to know these people and in your own words, you don't, but they already voted on who they thought was better. The percentage of people who get 5 minutes on TV to tell everyone how much greater they see Revis, is insignificant when there were already votes on how people thought of them both at the same time...

And in my memory, I never thought either was significantly better, I thought they were two sides of the same thing. Different skill sets, they excelled in those different skill sets to the highest degree...

2012-2015, with him playing in NY in '12 and '15 and still being considered a Top 5 CB, still wasn't considered better than Sherman by "football people" and guys who actually play the game...

I'm waiting for The Coli to give me some consistency on when "what players say" matters and when it doesn't lmao. Players voted for these guys in their primes in real time, all this extra stuff the last few days in retrospect cherry picking a handful of former players pales in comparison...

That list is not voted on by every player, and Nnamdi woulda made it pre Philly if they had it back then. So that list realky don't impress me becuz players will let other players slide off reputation alone. Sherm was like the 4th or 5 th best player on those Seahawks defenses.

 

[murksiderock]

The qb ratings against, the int numbers, the coverage ratings don't lie.

I'm not here championing sherm as better but it's def a conversation. If you trying to discredit sherm saying he can't be one of the best just because he's been in great defenses that's not fair

And.deion didn't follow either and he's one of the greatest ever

This is my point exactly, there is no clear cut advantage. Both excelled in their respective strengths to the highest degree...

Lotta Smart Guys ran in this thread talking about how it was Revis and "not even close" and "nobody" thinks Sherm is better, but that certainly wasn't the sentiment at the time both were in their prime and the players voted in real time, so there's no need to outright lie about "nobody" thinking Sherm was better or that "it wasn't close"...

The same players that played the game, know scheming and technique and all the intricacies of playing the position and the game, these guys consistently said Sherman was the better player, at the time, in real time...

This is hilarious though, because now "what the players said" doesn't matter, while this board is notorious for holding player statements higher than anything lmao...

Never chang, Coli, never change!

 

[murksiderock]

That list is not voted on by every player, and Nnamdi woulda made it pre Philly if they had it back then. So that list realky don't impress me becuz players will let other players slide off reputation alone. Sherm was like the 4th or 5 th best player on those Seahawks defenses.

Lmao there's 2,016 players in the NFL, if you include the practice guys, 1,696 if you just go active roster. It really wouldn't be difficult to establish polling stations on every team that every player could put a vote on...

"What players say" isnt fitting Coli Groupthink's argument that Revis was clearly better, so we're avoiding addressing it like the plague or we're trying to diminish it....but as is this case with a number of Coli threads, Coli Groupthink is only a small sample size and percentage of the larger sports following culture...

In real time, at the time both guys were in their prime, there was not this consensus Revis was runaway better; it was always a debate. And in real time, at the time both guys were in their primes, the players voted on who they thought the better player was and every single year they said Sherman...

According to The Coliseum, guys who played the game have perfect IQ relative to their sport, so these are the experts so highly valued around here who know that Sherm and Revis played in two different defensive schemes, with different skill sets, and apparently thought that Sherm was better at what he was asked to do than what Revis was at what he was asked to do...

The Revis revisionism is some HOF-Coli narrative spinning...

 

[Tony D'Amato]

Lmao there's 2,016 players in the NFL, if you include the practice guys, 1,696 if you just go active roster. It really wouldn't be difficult to establish polling stations on every team that every player could put a vote on...

"What players say" isnt fitting Coli Groupthink's argument that Revis was clearly better, so we're avoiding addressing it like the plague or we're trying to diminish it....but as is this case with a number of Coli threads, Coli Groupthink is only a small sample size and percentage of the larger sports following culture...

In real time, at the time both guys were in their prime, there was not this consensus Revis was runaway better; it was always a debate. And in real time, at the time both guys were in their primes, the players voted on who they thought the better player was and every single year they said Sherman...

According to The Coliseum, guys who played the game have perfect IQ relative to their sport, so these are the experts so highly valued around here who know that Sherm and Revis played in two different defensive schemes, with different skill sets, and apparently thought that Sherm was better at what he was asked to do than what Revis was at what he was asked to do...

The Revis revisionism is some HOF-Coli narrative spinning...

They said the number of players they polled and it wasn't all of them was my point. Find me a wr that said Sherm was better and I'd be forced to fall back

 

[Hov]

2012-2015, with him playing in NY in '12 and '15 and still being considered a Top 5 CB, still wasn't considered better than Sherman by "football people" and guys who actually play the game...

I'm waiting for The Coli to give me some consistency on when "what players say" matters and when it doesn't lmao. Players voted for these guys in their primes in real time, all this extra stuff the last few days in retrospect cherry picking a handful of former players pales in comparison...

I can't properly go in on your "smart guy" posting but Revis was a Jet from 07-12, his TB years were def not considered his prime and he was considered out of scheme, won the chip in 14 with Pats then pretty much aged out.

There primes were NOT the same years buddy, and I can take longer to crush this silly debate man. C'mon bro, this is rediculous from you.

 

[NYC Rebel]

I can't properly go in on your "smart guy" posting but Revis was a Jet from 07-12, his TB years were def not considered his prime and he was considered out of scheme, won the chip in 14 with Pats then pretty much aged out.

There primes were NOT the same years buddy, and I can take longer to crush this silly debate man. C'mon bro, this is rediculous from you.

he has a mountain of Revis hate threads. Its par for the course. Long windedness doesnt hide it