Reza Aslan rebuts Bill Maher about Islam

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Your argument was flawed from the start plus you didn't debunk the article and you claim I'm mad? :russ:
I never claimed to debunk it. Simply quoted criticism of it. Awfully defensive, and your reliance on smilies is juvenile.
 
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I never claimed to debunk it. Simply quoted criticism of it. Awfully defensive, and your reliance on smilies is juvenile.

Quoted criticism from one known liar and fabricated writer, one guy who never really criticized the work, and another bobble-head defense department nobody who disagrees with anything exposing U.S. involvement with ISIS and AL-Q. I asked you to get a better source and you got uptight.
 

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Quoted criticism from one known liar and fabricated writer, one guy who never really criticized the work, and another bobble-head defense department nobody who disagrees with anything exposing U.S. involvement with ISIS and AL-Q. I asked you to get a better source and you got uptight.
I have no dog in this fight. If you didn't approach every conversation as a win/lose situation people would take you more seriously. That said, I understand you will insist on having the last word, so enjoy.
 
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I have no dog in this fight. If you didn't approach every conversation as a win/lose situation people would take you more seriously. That said, I understand you will insist on having the last word, so enjoy.

Not at all, this is the part about debating my friend. Don't take it personal. :salute:
 

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I watched the clip, and once again it just reaffirms my position between the Aslans and the Mahers of the world

Maher generally shyts on Islam well, and it can be entertaining, but the problem is you cant be against shytty US foreign policy and Islamic terrorism (and acknowledge the link between the two superficially) but then be a gung ho israel support, not acknowledge the role that plays in this mess, and not understand the bigger picture of how western interference effects the islamic world

aslan to me, his attack on subpar american media reporting on the issue and critique of generalizations is admirable and commendable, but hes just another apologist
 

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However, others in this debate are not so innocent. Our conversation on Real Time was provoked by an interview that Reza Aslan gave on CNN, in which he castigated Maher for the remarks he had made about Islam on the previous show. I have always considered Aslan a comical figure. His thoughts about religion in general are a jumble of pretentious nonsense—yet he speaks with an air of self-importance that would have been embarrassing in Genghis Khan at the height of his power. On the topic of Islam, however, Aslan has begun to seem more sinister. He cannot possibly believe what he says, because nearly everything he says is a lie or a half-truth calibrated to mislead a liberal audience. If he claims something isn’t in the Koran, it probably is. I don’t know what his agenda is, beyond riding a jet stream of white guilt from interview to interview, but he is manipulating liberal biases for the purpose of shutting down conversation on important topics. Given what he surely knows about the contents of the Koran and the hadith, the state of public opinion in the Muslim world, the suffering of women and other disempowered groups, and the real-world effects of deeply held religious beliefs, I find his deception on these issues unconscionable.
-Sam Harris
http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/can-liberalism-be-saved-from-itself
 

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aslan makes great points but its clear he's just the flipside of the coin on the argument. both sides very little knowledge of islam and islamic countries ran by sharia.

saudi arabia is an awesome place. if it was oppressive people would be leaving it in droves. but when was the last time you saw a saudi living in america? they don't give a shyt about america's "freedoms".

the muslim countries with the most volatile conditions are the ones where america's foreign policy has destabilized and don't even have sharia law.

america needs to mind its fukking business.

sam harris is a dangerous cock sucker though. he is good at arguing and definitely knows a lot about islam but he twists it in a very sickening way to support his bigoted views. he makes sure he only argues against laymens. if i ever debated this prick i'd shyt all over him. bill maher is just some clown on his dikk. they are obviously staunch zionists even though they claim to not care about their jewishness.

lol @ sam harris calling azlan sinister. its obvious sam is the more sinister of the two.\
 
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aslan makes great points but its clear he's just the flipside of the coin on the argument. both sides very little knowledge of islam and islamic countries ran by sharia.

saudi arabia is an awesome place. if it was oppressive people would be leaving it in droves. but when was the last time you saw a saudi living in america? they don't give a shyt about america's "freedoms".

the muslim countries with the most volatile conditions are the ones where america's foreign policy has destabilized and don't even have sharia law.

america needs to mind its fukking business.

sam harris is a dangerous cock sucker though. he is good at arguing and definitely knows a lot about islam but he twists it in a very sickening way to support his bigoted views. he makes sure he only argues against laymens. if i ever debated this prick i'd shyt all over him. bill maher is just some clown on his dikk. they are obviously staunch zionists even though they claim to not care about their jewishness.

full

Saudi Arabia is one of the biggest human rights violaters in the world.

Not to mention for at least half of this forum, if we went to Saudi Arabia we would be classfied as "terroists" LOL.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ack-down-on-political-dissidents-9228389.html

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...st-saudi-arabia-terrorists-faith-muslim-world
 

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Saudi Arabia is one of the biggest human rights violaters in the world.

Not to mention for at least half of this forum, if we went to Saudi Arabia we would be classfied as "terroists" LOL.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ack-down-on-political-dissidents-9228389.html

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...st-saudi-arabia-terrorists-faith-muslim-world


i have worked in saudi arabia. it has its laws that are weird to westerners living in fake democracies. but it favors people who want to live a moral life and live safely.

western society favors criminals and thieves.

america is just as shytty at treating anybody with opposing views in a fukked up manner. you ever heard of MLK and malcolm x?

saudi arabia is a theocracy ran by religious laws. thats how they do things. so what. people want to kick up dust that they want to be atheists or swithc religion or want to be whatever the fukk else they are basically commiting treason. they know the rules. fukk em.

treason is illegal in america as well. democracy is no better. look at the shytty state america is currently in.
 

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i have worked in saudi arabia. it has its laws that are weird to westerners living in fake democracies. but it favors people who want to live a moral life and live safely.

western society favors criminals and thieves.

america is just as shytty at treating anybody with opposing views in a fukked up manner. you ever heard of MLK and malcolm x?

saudi arabia is a theocracy ran by religious laws. thats how they do things. so what. people want to kick up dust that they want to be atheists or swithc religion or want to be whatever the fukk else they are basically commiting treason. they know the rules. fukk em.

treason is illegal in america as well. democracy is no better. look at the shytty state america is currently in.
...What?

Are you religous (not that I'm trying to belittle you just for being religous in general)? Are you an islamic fundamentalist? If not I have no idea why you are caping for one of the worst countries in the world.
 

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...What?

Are you religous (not that I'm trying to belittle you just for being religous in general)? Are you an islamic fundamentalist? If not I have no idea why you are caping for one of the worst countries in the world.

i just know both sides of the coin.
 

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