Rhymefest Goes In On Chief Keef!!

[OGJOHNNY5]

You can listen to Keef, King Louie, Sasha Go Hard, all these Chicago "Drill Hop" rappers and comprehend how there can be 30+ shootings in one weekend within a 10 block area.... My problem is that we need to raise the critical thinking and intelligence level of the disenfranchised youth of Chicago's southside before worrying about "The Music" that is developed out of that community and then displayed back to them... The music is essentially a mirror for them to look at themselves in... You can't change the mirror from the glass... You need to change the object that is the source of the reflection... Because lets be real, If you don't raise the intelligence level and education of these individuals and remove the sociopathic behavior from their minds, Im sure they will find some other way to fukk their lives up even if the music didn't exist...

I mean LA gangs existed in the 70's and early 80's and nikkas was poplocking to electro dance music and funk and all that shyt before the late 80's wave of gangster rap... Doesn't fukking matter what the music content is.... Gangster rap just gave them a mirror to look at themselves and something to relate to...

im out!

 

[kermit da hustla]

SMH All These Old Ass Washed Up nikkas HATING Would You rather Chief Keef Be Making Music OR Out there Catching Bodies

if his music is encouraging uneducated and fatherless nikkas to act like animals in the streets, i'd rather he'd not make music.

 

[Consigliere]

hold on.. so Chicago, just got violent after "I Dont Like" came out..? hip-hop just started promoting guys like Chief Keef..? did you even read the article..?

dog.. yall are losing ground here..

some of the toughest acts have came outta chicago.. and, truth be told.. he mentioned more than Keef in the article.. thats why i pointed that out..

I've made my point enough in this thread without answering a bunch of rhetorical questions.

Hit somebody else with the strawmen and red herrings.

 

[jwinfield]

Do people even have a problem with what he's saying or that Rhymefest was the one that said it?

Apparently Rhymefest can't say anything because he's not a household name, or he didn't mention a rapper by name in 94.

Is there anyone that could have said this that people wouldn't have attacked the messenger.

Lupe would've gotten hit with the smart dumb nikka comments and people would talk about him rapping about chesseburgers.

Common said something people would talk about him going after an even younger guy after going with Drake.

Ye say something, people would've said he worked with Keef

Pretty much, regardless of the validity of the message, the thread would've gone in the same direction.

 

[dre]

how is that NOT a legitimate question..

you got rappers who been around since, and before you been around.. but, here you go almost 20yrs later.. and, you taking up sh!t with a KID..

my point is, be consistent with your message.. period.. no matter, what it is.. clearly, you're too bird-brained to get that.. i been listening to hip-hop, before i even knew who this dude was.. i never heard him single out a rapper for their violent content, or any of the other shyt hes rambling about.. Chief Keef is miniscule compared to the cats from his day, and the days before..

is that simple enough for you..?

First of all don't condescend me. If you wanna talk we can talk respectfully, I'm not here for all the name calling and shyt

Second of all if you fully comprehended what he was saying it wasn't just "fukk Chief Keef that c00n ass nikka", it was about how the industry manipulates Hip Hop's message and chooses to exclusively promote and perpetuate violence through these guys that don't know any better. The bomb analogy was spot on, new school trap artists are just kamikazes they throw a little change.

I think you're too hung up on the stunt of naming names, you just want to see strife come from it. But when has he ever been inconsistent with his message? Can you link somewhere where he opened his mouth and said something contrary to this?

Realistically what example is better to prove his point than a 16 year old easily impressionable kid.

He's not picking on Keef at all, his point by mentioning him is...Chicago is on fire with murders, but you have Keef pop up as a product of that so his music contributes to fueling it. Throw him a couple hundred thousand and give him some toys...but a mindless message like his contributes more negativity then the positive outcome of his financial come up. It was a Chicago centric type of thing, Rhymefest is from Chicago as well.

Furthermore he mentioned Ross, and Waka Flocka as well. So why are you ignoring that.

Is that simple enough for you?.

 

[iPod Raheem 2.0]

You can listen to Keef, King Louie, Sasha Go Hard, all these Chicago "Drill Hop" rappers and comprehend how there can be 30+ shootings in one weekend within a 10 block area.... My problem is that we need to raise the critical thinking and intelligence level of the disenfranchised youth of Chicago's southside before worrying about "The Music" that is developed out of that community and then displayed back to them... The music is essentially a mirror for them to look at themselves in... You can't change the mirror from the glass... You need to change the object that is the source of the reflection... Because lets be real, If you don't raise the intelligence level and education of these individuals and remove the sociopathic behavior from their minds, Im sure they will find some other way to fukk their lives up even if the music didn't exist...

I mean LA gangs existed in the 70's and early 80's and nikkas was poplocking to electro dance music and funk and all that shyt before the late 80's wave of gangster rap... Doesn't fukking matter what the music content is.... Gangster rap just gave them a mirror to look at themselves and something to relate to...

Good post. Good perspective. I agree that the root cause of the problem doesn't lie in the music itself. I do think it's socially valuable to critique the music, though. I would argue that music is more than just some mere reflection or soundtrack to life. It's influential in itself. Some music glorifies violence and behavior that is destructive to the point where it might have have some responsibility for nurturing and affirming the behavior of sociopaths.

 

[boskey]

it's business. it's a logical connection. more gang-oriented music means more nikkas in jail, meaning more profit for the prison industrial complex[/B]. did you not read that story about the judges deliberately sending innocent kids to prison because they were being paid by the prisons to do so????

Theres nothing logical about that. The incarceration rate has increased for 2 reasons #1 is the drug war, #2 is the increase in shytty parents

I agree that hip hop music has made anti-social and criminal behavior "cool" to some folks. But look at the folks that are actually getting arrested. The vast majority come from fukked up families, fukked up neighborhoods and are drug related.

Not to mention the fact that Rhymefest' theory completely contradicts the other popular theory "white people buy 90% of the gangster rap becuz they like to see black men acting crazy and dangerous and it makes them feel tough". Well how come innocent white people aren't getting sucked into the Prison Industrial Complex for listening to Jeezy and Ross?

There are some real topics to discuss about hip hop's criminal culture and how it effects black people. But lets use some real facts instead of half ass theories...

 

[Lavish]

I'm feelin this thread

Some productive discussion goin on here

 

[dre]

You can listen to Keef, King Louie, Sasha Go Hard, all these Chicago "Drill Hop" rappers and comprehend how there can be 30+ shootings in one weekend within a 10 block area.... My problem is that we need to raise the critical thinking and intelligence level of the disenfranchised youth of Chicago's southside before worrying about "The Music" that is developed out of that community and then displayed back to them... The music is essentially a mirror for them to look at themselves in... You can't change the mirror from the glass... You need to change the object that is the source of the reflection... Because lets be real, If you don't raise the intelligence level and education of these individuals and remove the sociopathic behavior from their minds, Im sure they will find some other way to fukk their lives up even if the music didn't exist...

I mean LA gangs existed in the 70's and early 80's and nikkas was poplocking to electro dance music and funk and all that shyt before the late 80's wave of gangster rap... Doesn't fukking matter what the music content is.... Gangster rap just gave them a mirror to look at themselves and something to relate to...

I agree, but you don't think that music as a mirror is a negative contribution.

I think because what you said is true people absolve responsibility from negative music because kids would be fukked up regardless, but I look at it like everyone perpetuating or allowing their music to be a one-sided reflection has a hand in the destruction whether direct or residual and should feel some kind of way about it personally.

 

[Huellz Santana]

lupe and rakim are sellouts tho...this nikka lupe rapping over swedish trance music as a cheeseburger

i disagree with char char's stance on this but this response had me ​

 

[Lavish]

I agree, but you don't think that music as a mirror is a negative contribution.

I think because what you said is true people absolve responsibility from negative music because kids would be fukked up regardless, but I look at it like everyone perpetuating or allowing their music to be a one-sided reflection has a hand in the destruction whether direct or residual and should feel some kind of way about it personally.

Rep this man

Music shouldn't be one sided. If u grow up in Chicago and many of ur friends and family have been killed and it hurt you, why are u glorifying street life? Why not ALSO talk about how much a murder impacts the families who ultimately are the ones suffering from this the violence.

Chief keef doesn't HAVE to show both sides, it's his music and he can do what he wants, but it's destructive If he doesn't. and again he's not the only culprit but if u compare him to other niccas who grew up in the streets, he's probably the most ignorant.

I doubt nicca knows more then 10 words in the English language and honestly he looks brain dead in interviews. Something is seriously wrong with him

 

[YouMadd?]

Good post. Good perspective. I agree that the root cause of the problem doesn't lie in the music itself. I do think it's socially valuable to critique the music, though. I would argue that music is more than just some mere reflection or soundtrack to life. It's influential in itself. Some music glorifies violence and behavior that is destructive to the point where it might have have some responsibility for nurturing and affirming the behavior of sociopaths.

Appreciate it... I agree... I would never tell a guy like Rhymefest that he shouldn't speak up... There is an overabundance of ignorant music out right now so one paragraph from a relatively unknown dude should not ruffle peoples feathers... It should be embraced... You're right about the Nurturing aspect of the music... There's a lot of crazy young people out there that won't change themselves due to the music flooding their ears telling them its okay... Maybe its too optimistic to assume its possible to remove sociopathic behavior from some of these teens running around... They might be too far gone

 

[hustlemania]

First of all don't condescend me. If you wanna talk we can talk respectfully, I'm not here for all the name calling and shyt

Second of all if you fully comprehended what he was saying it wasn't just "fukk Chief Keef that c00n ass nikka", it was about how the industry manipulates Hip Hop's message and chooses to exclusively promote and perpetuate violence through these guys that don't know any better. The bomb analogy was spot on, new school trap artists are just kamikazes they throw a little change.

I think you're too hung up on the stunt of naming names, you just want to see strife come from it. But when has he ever been inconsistent with his message? Can you link somewhere where he opened his mouth and said something contrary to this?

Realistically what example is better to prove his point than a 16 year old easily impressionable kid.

He's not picking on Keef at all, his point by mentioning him is...Chicago is on fire with murders, but you have Keef pop up as a product of that so his music contributes to fueling it. Throw him a couple hundred thousand and give him some toys...but a mindless message like his contributes more negativity then the positive outcome of his financial come up. It was a Chicago centric type of thing, Rhymefest is from Chicago as well.

clearly, you lack simple things like reading comprehension.. so, one more time..

hold on.. so Chicago, just got violent after "I Dont Like" came out..? hip-hop just started promoting guys like Chief Keef..? did you even read the article..?

dog.. yall are losing ground here..

he mentioned Ross, and Waka Flocka as well. So why are you ignoring that.

Is that simple enough for you?.

and, truth be told.. he mentioned more than Keef in the article.. thats why i pointed that out..

you so busy in here typing chapters, and you not even comprehending wtf im saying.. whatsoever..

"hes not picking on Chief Keef.." ok.. why not mention King Louie or L.E.P..? they bubbling outta Chi right now.. and, truth be told- they aint the most positive rappers.. kids listen to them as well..

 

[jwinfield]

Neither Louie nor LEP just got million dollar deals

 

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