Rhymefest Goes In On Chief Keef!!

[boskey]

Rep this man

Music shouldn't be one sided. If u grow up in Chicago and many of ur friends and family have been killed and it hurt you, why are u glorifying street life? Why not ALSO talk about how much a murder impacts the families who ultimately are the ones suffering from this the violence.

Chief keef doesn't HAVE to show both sides, it's his music and he can do what he wants, but it's destructive If he doesn't. and again he's not the only culprit but if u compare him to other niccas who grew up in the streets, he's probably the most ignorant.

The question is why do black people who come from these environments and have to deal with these harsh realities and see other black folks getting locked up and killed...why do we support this music?

That is the bigger question in my opinion. People are gonna get paid anyway they can whether its industry execs or artists. But why are we giving people our money to support this negative shyt...

 

[YouMadd?]

I agree, but you don't think that music as a mirror is a negative contribution.

I think because what you said is true people absolve responsibility from negative music because kids would be fukked up regardless, but I look at it like everyone perpetuating or allowing their music to be a one-sided reflection has a hand in the destruction whether direct or residual and should feel some kind of way about it personally.

Its definitely a negative contribution, Like ... If you describe Rhymefest's statements within my weak little metaphor, then he is essentially saying we need to remove the mirror(Corporate backed negative images) or try an project a different image to the youth of what they could be... Im not a sociologist, but that shyt would be hard... I almost feel like attacking it from the street level is a more productive way... Unfortunately We can't look to the corporations to change... We need a balance though...

Its either Partying/fukking or Robbing/Killing... Im staying positive though because we have some good rappers out there trying hard to get back to introspective/reality based raps.

Its crazy though, Hip hop is either super soft or super hard...

 

[iPod Raheem 2.0]

Appreciate it... I agree... I would never tell a guy like Rhymefest that he shouldn't speak up... There is an overabundance of ignorant music out right now so one paragraph from a relatively unknown dude should not ruffle peoples feathers... It should be embraced... You're right about the Nurturing aspect of the music... There's a lot of crazy young people out there that won't change themselves due to the music flooding their ears telling them its okay... Maybe its too optimistic to assume its possible to remove sociopathic behavior from some of these teens running around... They might be too far gone

The social conditions many black youth live in is fukked up. So it's not terribly surprising that they are crazy or at least seem crazy. Some might be too far gone. shyt is sad.

 

[hustlemania]

Neither Louie nor LEP just got million dollar deals

He's not picking on Keef at all, his point by mentioning him is...Chicago is on fire with murders, but you have Keef pop up as a product of that so his music contributes to fueling it. Throw him a couple hundred thousand and give him some toys...but a mindless message like his contributes more negativity then the positive outcome of his financial come up. It was a Chicago centric type of thing, Rhymefest is from Chicago as well.

whas that, now..

 

[Tetris v2.0]

Like others have said, I have no problem with Keef making the music he makes. Hell Im cool with some of it. I dont think it INCREASES crime or anything dumb like that

My only gripe is, "why do we CRAVE that type of music so much???". We love ignorant fukkery and hood fantasies with all of our hearts

The industry kinda chews up these dudes and spits them out. Their "buzz" is so fukking transient its insane. Gucci is basically over on a mainstream level. Wakas coffin was nailed a few weeks ago. French has maybe ONE hit album in him (if it ever drops), and Keef will have the same fate. Jeezys been fighting the curse for years and 2Chainz ran to GOOD Music with the hopes that theyll save his ass from inevitable irrelevance in 6 months

 

[dre]

The question is why do black people who come from these environments and have to deal with these harsh realities and see other black folks getting locked up and killed...why do we support this music?

That is the bigger question in my opinion. People are gonna get paid anyway they can whether its industry execs or artists. But why are we giving people our money to support this negative shyt...

Most people have just accepted that's what the mainstream offers...plus the beats knock and these guys put it together in catchy ways so it can be entertaining, I can't even lie.

But you'd be surprised how many people don't know anything but the dozen or so Hip Hop artists pushed by the industry and still listen exclusively to the radio. It's just ignorance...not in a demeaning sense but..they just don't know any better and weren't taught any critical thinking.

A lot of people to tell the truth are too busy trying to survive to even stop and question what they choose to be entertained by

 

[John Hull]

I'm pretty sure there are some 19 year old Chi-Town artists that rap about more progressive topics over more diverse production who will never get shine for the exact reason Rhymefest mentioned. I find the constant retort about nikkas being "old and washed up" hella nervous.

Who better to speak on industry related politics than someone who's been involved with it over ten years?

You just mad cause somebody called out a garbage "rapper" with a destructive message.

 

[jwinfield]

whas that, now..

Fest's statement was about mainstream rappers getting backed by dollars of big labels and get played on the radio.

It's why he mentioned Keef who just signed a big deal, Ross and Waka.

Louie and LEP aren't mainstream, aren't getting radio play, and aren't backed by major labels.

 

[iPod Raheem 2.0]

I don't think this is a sidetrack particularly since Fest namedrops Killer Mike, but this song "Reagan" seems to be on point to some of the discussion we're having. In the opening verse, Mike basically says that some rappers are who Fest calls spokespeople for the Prison Industrial Complex and have unclean hands in the creation of these "bombs" that are blowing up in our inner cities.




The ballot or the bullet, some freedom or some bullshyt
Will we ever do it big, or just keep settling for little shyt
We brag on having bread, but none of us are bakers
We all talk having greens, but none of us own acres
If none of us on acres, and none of us grow wheat
Then who will feed our people when our people need to eat
So it seems our people starve from lack of understanding
'Cause all we seem to give them is some balling and some dancing
And some talking about our car and imaginary mansions
We should be indicted for bullshyt we inciting
Hand the children death and pretend that it's exciting
We are advertisements for agony and pain
We exploit the youth, we tell them to join a gang
We tell them dope stories, introduce them to the game
Just like Oliver North introduced us to cocaine
In the 80s when the bricks came on military planes

 

[hustlemania]

Fest's statement was about mainstream rappers getting backed by dollars of big labels and get played on the radio.

It's why he mentioned Keef who just signed a big deal, Ross and Waka.

Louie and LEP aren't mainstream, aren't getting radio play, and aren't backed by major labels.

this is why i hate when people interject in conversations..

look at what the dude wrote.. look at my reply.. then, i quote him directly, to further explain what we're both talking about..

furthermore, earlier i stated.. these cats arguments are all over the place.. damn.. do yall actually read, or just gung-ho to debate..?

 

[Mask and Da Glock]

Don't really want to jump into the conversation, but I noticed someone ( a few pages back, not gonna go back and quote you sorry ) asked why isn't more uplifting/progressive/whatever word you used to mean "positive" hip-hop being promoted. Well...like it was said, it's not hot, it's not marketable, it's a fukking business. THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE WANT RIGHT NOW. On that note, the TDE movement is about as positive as it's gonna get right now.


Why not others though? Check the fukking blogs, check youtube, it's all there, all potential rappers to be pushed is there, and the "positive" ones generally suck. They fukking suck and aren't entertaining. Nothing is a conspiracy the consumer mass controls what is put out not the other way around. You all act likes there's tribes and de las out there with this great music just not being pushed by evil interscope or warner....no they're not on that level of music because unfortunately all the musical talent is making either this ignorant music, or drake-type music. and you all shyt on drake type of music..fukking hypocrites.


Why would i listen to anything rhymefest says, how about you read up on what "positive" hip-hoppers like talib kweli have to say, who really had a push at one point with his music and was never someones lackey, therefore has no grievances even though he SHOULD. I'll fill you in though it's exactly what I'm saying.

 

[Mask and Da Glock]

Okay...that's based on what's happening socially and politically in your city. Your corrupt state government doesn't want to do shyt. That's why music like this comes out, because there is violence. Not the other way around.

 

[Lavish]

The question is why do black people who come from these environments and have to deal with these harsh realities and see other black folks getting locked up and killed...why do we support this music?

That is the bigger question in my opinion. People are gonna get paid anyway they can whether its industry execs or artists. But why are we giving people our money to support this negative shyt...

I feel what ur trying to say.

And I think generally speaking, it's a couple of reasons


1. For those people who live that life, they are basically in a war. It's like they're constantly running from prison, the constantly running from death, and there constantly running from society who deems them as problematic, so for them, when they see an artist such as chief whose cut from that same cloth, it's like "this nicca understands me, hes on the same shyt and he knows what I'm goin through" he's like a voice for them. When ur living a life where the people in powere are constantly talking down on you, and punishing you for the way u were brought up and live, a rapper like chief makes them feel comfortable in there own skin. It's almost like he validates them.

2. Then u have those who don't live that life (the white suburban kids who make up 99% of these record sales + the others.) People are generally fascinated by the unknown, the life they don't live, the life that seems to earn you respect for being able to survive. They tend to flock to the music because it brings them closer to that lifestyle without actually having to live through it.

Just my opinion from what I've seen

 

[iPod Raheem 2.0]

Its definitely a negative contribution, Like ... If you describe Rhymefest's statements within my weak little metaphor, then he is essentially saying we need to remove the mirror(Corporate backed negative images) or try an project a different image to the youth of what they could be... Im not a sociologist, but that shyt would be hard... I almost feel like attacking it from the street level is a more productive way... Unfortunately We can't look to the corporations to change... We need a balance though...

Its either Partying/fukking or Robbing/Killing... Im staying positive though because we have some good rappers out there trying hard to get back to introspective/reality based raps.

Its crazy though, Hip hop is either super soft or super hard...

Why can't we? Power of the dollar wins. We vote with our dollars. Corporations respect money. In fact, they are all about maximizing profit. If enough people stop buying/supporting certain music, it would be fiscally irresponsible for corporations to continue to promote a particular brand of music that nobody wants to hear. The counter of that is true, too. If we buy certain music, they'll promote it. Consumers can have an influence/impact if a critical mass of us "vote" together. Corporations will change if their bottom line is affected negatively.

Could this have an effect on the Prison Industrial Complex? Maybe.

 

[AsAboveSoBelow]

The only thing that I don't like about Chief Keef is how all of these other rappers started riding the dude's dikk out of nowhere. All of sudden everyone is a big fan of dude? All of a sudden everyone is trying to hit him up, bringing him out on concerts, trying to sign him, do songs with him, and hang out? Why? Dude isn't that significant in the game yet. At least let him get acquainted with the game before sucking his dikk.

I think there is a lot of hypocrisy surrounding this kid doe. A lot of people are on his case for his lyrics, his behavior, and how he is promoting this type of behavior in one of the worst cities right now, but no one had a problem with these grown men doing it. Because Keef has a semblance of some type of truth to it everyone wants to get mad and get up in arms about it. Everyone was fine with everyone else rapping about murking dudes doe? Alright....

Kid is straight garbage and doesn't deserve even an ounce of the attention he is getting either.

Well, just the day and age we live in.