Rich kids run basketball now

[DraymondT]

This the biggest reason for the massive decline in American hooper quality at the elite level

00s

Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, KG, TMac, AI, JKidd, Pierce, Ray, Dwight, DWade, Arrest, Arenas, Chauncey, Big Ben, Sheed, CWebb, JO, Amare, DWill

10s

Bron, KD, Steph, Kawhi, Harden, CP3, Russ, Rose, AD, Jimmy, Kyrie, Melo, PG, Klay, Draymond, Aldridge, Blake, Bosh, Love, Dame, Cousins, Wall

20s

Tatum, Hali, Ant, Ja, Brunson, DMitch, Jaylen, Booker, Cade, Trae, LaMelo, JDubb, Mobley, Bam, JJJ, Amen, Scottie, Herro



We lost recipes that why the actual elite superstars in this era be foreigners - Jokic, Giannis, SGA, Luka, Embiid, Wemby

 

[MegaTronBomb!]

i see no way to push against skill development, you have to be able to dribble pass and shoot at all positions and at the age you have to start training you don't know if they'll be a 5'11 guard or a 6'9 wing. And if you happen to get scammed by a development coach trying to make some bread along the way you just gotta risk it.

Also :Not sure how it is in other parts of the country but it's not a lot of places where you can even just play pickup anymore for free. Everything is behind a membership or a entry fee. And turning the outside courts to pickleball.

That's the thing though breh, it's not about skill development.......it's all about brand development for the majority of these cats. That's why Julian Newman ended up being this midget chucker with no ability to do anything to make him serviceable at any level of legitimate organized basketball.

Richard Jefferson,Channing Frye and Perk had a whole segment on how it's less about skill development and more about exposure/brand development.


These coaches don't even has resumes with empirical data to back up why their "job" should even exist.....They're just profiting off an ecosystem that says you need to pay money for your kid to make it.


Just gotta wait til the Shoe companies start academies and it'll kill off AAU and these "prep schools" entirely.

 

[iceberg_is_on_fire]

That's the thing though breh, it's not about skill development.......it's all about brand development for the majority of these cats. That's why Julian Newman ended up being this midget chucker with no ability to do anything to make him serviceable at any level of legitimate organized basketball.

Richard Jefferson,Channing Frye and Perk had a whole segment on how it's less about skill development and more about exposure/brand development.


These coaches don't even has resumes with empirical data to back up why their "job" should even exist.....They're just profiting off an ecosystem that says you need to pay money for your kid to make it.


Just gotta wait til the Shoe companies start academies and it'll kill off AAU and these "prep schools" entirely.

It's because you have shuckers and jivers that are content on taking your money plus as a parent, you aren't involved in this.

One doesn't just drop their kids off to practice or training, barely show up to games and then wonder why their child isn't progressing or as good as you think they should be. My son turns 11 next month and was matched up against an 11 year old yesterday in training for an impromptu game and my kid dog walked him. His parents will never know about it though because his mom sits in the parking lot while training is going on. Training is not the end all, be all of your development but just a part of the journey. You still need guidance at home. It's not like trainers are inventing the wheel. All of this stuff can be replicated at home. However, someone has to be willing to put in the time to put together a regimen for kids to follow and have a place for them to work.

If your kid goes to a trainer and still looks like hot garbage when he/she plays, that's on the parent to reassess some stuff and start asking some tough questions. Maybe this isn't for your kid, irrespective of how much they love it. If you do see a future, then it's on the parent(s) to carve out some time to make it happen.

 

[The War Report]

It’s over for the poor man. You’d prob get teased as a kid if you don’t have a trainer.

 

[Harry B]

This the biggest reason for the massive decline in American hooper quality at the elite level

00s

Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, KG, TMac, AI, JKidd, Pierce, Ray, Dwight, DWade, Arrest, Arenas, Chauncey, Big Ben, Sheed, CWebb, JO, Amare, DWill

10s

Bron, KD, Steph, Kawhi, Harden, CP3, Russ, Rose, AD, Jimmy, Kyrie, Melo, PG, Klay, Draymond, Aldridge, Blake, Bosh, Love, Dame, Cousins, Wall

20s

Tatum, Hali, Ant, Ja, Brunson, DMitch, Jaylen, Booker, Cade, Trae, LaMelo, JDubb, Mobley, Bam, JJJ, Amen, Scottie, Herro



We lost recipes that why the actual elite superstars in this era be foreigners - Jokic, Giannis, SGA, Luka, Embiid, Wemby

Why did the 2004 olympics team get smoked with 1 player missing?

Just cause people lack star power doesn't mean that they are bad players, star power just goes beyond basketball. Also it's hard to relate to the star power of young hoopers when you aren't young. I don't know if these kids love Ja and Ant like I loved AI or T Mac. They lack "aura" both on and off court, but they are very good at playing the game. Problem is that there are 4-5 europeans that are better. Is that cause the Europeans got better or cause the Americans got worse? Impossible to say.

You are also comparing 40 % of a decade with 10-15 year spans like Cwebb drafted in 93 to Dwill in 05, Bron in 03 to AD in 12 then Bam in 17 to Cade in 21.

 

[getmoney310cpt]

Skill development is skill development. As a parent, you still have to be invested still. Passing and dribbling is more valuable than shooting jump shots starting off because you have to learn how to move the ball and get around the court with the ball.

I can see what is meant the profit aspect of it but again, it's back on the parent to make sure your kid is getting what he/she need. So many times, I see a parent drop their kid off, just to be back in an hour to get them. This is at practice or training. At this point, it's just transactional and does not matter much.

I got into this as a way to basically keep up with the Joneses for my son because I saw what was trending in the future. He was generally better than his peers, now he's clearly better than his peers. What's come from it is a wealth of stuff that will help now and in the future in basketball. First off, he's working at the pace of older kids and young adults so he had to keep up, thankfully they all embrace him and treat him like a little brother. In my years of youth, being a basketball nomad, traveling to courts to hoop to play, never did I progress to being beyond a functional athlete playing basketball. Growing up, I never knew about guide hands, loading up on the ball, shoulder to shoulder screens, etc. My son is an athletic basketball player playing basketball. He's so much better than me at comparable ages, it's ridiculous.

Again, it's all about the setup and environment.

Take these clips.

What, outside of a controlled environment will your kid get to train with two college players and two high school players in the same setting on a random Monday? A couple of notables here. Preston Saia, 6'7, sophomore at Kentucky Christian University. Dikembe Shaw, 6'7 senior at Crown Point, offers from Murray State, Toledo and others.

Spoiler: Clip

Cone/dummy work. It's not dumber down for him to do it. Either do it or get off the court.

Spoiler: Clip

He's learning how to get to his one dribble jump shot quicker. Like I always say, it's a textbook jumpshot. It's like why is Floyd Mayweather the most technically sound boxer ever? He had three world class boxers in his family that trained him.

Spoiler: Clip

I obviously can't speak for others but my son's development has been nothing but great and it hasn't cost me a fortune either.

If you keep at it your boy going to be elite ,he already shooting right handed floaters and is a lefty (I’m guessing off the dribble pull up)

I use to play AAU with someone that was ambidextrous from a young age with the ball and he went number 1 in the 2010 draft

 

[Trojan 24]

It’s over for the poor man. You’d prob get teased as a kid if you don’t have a trainer.

Yep, international players will likely be the poor kids to make it. But even then they likely got funneled into a program at a young age

 

[threattonature]

Skill development is skill development. As a parent, you still have to be invested still. Passing and dribbling is more valuable than shooting jump shots starting off because you have to learn how to move the ball and get around the court with the ball.

I can see what is meant the profit aspect of it but again, it's back on the parent to make sure your kid is getting what he/she need. So many times, I see a parent drop their kid off, just to be back in an hour to get them. This is at practice or training. At this point, it's just transactional and does not matter much.

I got into this as a way to basically keep up with the Joneses for my son because I saw what was trending in the future. He was generally better than his peers, now he's clearly better than his peers. What's come from it is a wealth of stuff that will help now and in the future in basketball. First off, he's working at the pace of older kids and young adults so he had to keep up, thankfully they all embrace him and treat him like a little brother. In my years of youth, being a basketball nomad, traveling to courts to hoop to play, never did I progress to being beyond a functional athlete playing basketball. Growing up, I never knew about guide hands, loading up on the ball, shoulder to shoulder screens, etc. My son is an athletic basketball player playing basketball. He's so much better than me at comparable ages, it's ridiculous.

Again, it's all about the setup and environment.

Take these clips.

What, outside of a controlled environment will your kid get to train with two college players and two high school players in the same setting on a random Monday? A couple of notables here. Preston Saia, 6'7, sophomore at Kentucky Christian University. Dikembe Shaw, 6'7 senior at Crown Point, offers from Murray State, Toledo and others.

Spoiler: Clip

Cone/dummy work. It's not dumber down for him to do it. Either do it or get off the court.

Spoiler: Clip

He's learning how to get to his one dribble jump shot quicker. Like I always say, it's a textbook jumpshot. It's like why is Floyd Mayweather the most technically sound boxer ever? He had three world class boxers in his family that trained him.

Spoiler: Clip

I obviously can't speak for others but my son's development has been nothing but great and it hasn't cost me a fortune either.

I love this approach. I think part of why the foreign players come over doing their thing is because they get tossed to the fire earlier playing against older players and adults.

I think part of the problem too is that the kid's these days are more pampered coming up. Kids being put on stacked teams or reclassifying so they are playing against younger kids to look better. While a lot of the previous stars were fighting for playing time on the courts against older kids and had to deal with earning that floor time. They had to keep developing their games to find ways to stay on the court. I also loved how Gilbert Arenas approached it by putting his kid on a regular ass team where he'd develop the star mentality. When playing on a stacked team it's easy to fall into old habits because you're playing against overmatched teams and you don't have to carry the burden of winning on your own as much.

I got better because I played with a bunch of adults who didn't want to play with a selfish kid that just wanted to gun all day. When they did let me play they told me to get the ball I had to go get it off the boards or steal it on D. And when I had it I had to learn to set others up at which point they felt comfortable putting it in my hands more and more because they knew I wouldn't just be gunning.

 

[CrimsonTider]

I love this approach. I think part of why the foreign players come over doing their thing is because they get tossed to the fire earlier playing against older players and adults.

I think part of the problem too is that the kid's these days are more pampered coming up. Kids being put on stacked teams or reclassifying so they are playing against younger kids to look better. While a lot of the previous stars were fighting for playing time on the courts against older kids and had to deal with earning that floor time. They had to keep developing their games to find ways to stay on the court. I also loved how Gilbert Arenas approached it by putting his kid on a regular ass team where he'd develop the star mentality. When playing on a stacked team it's easy to fall into old habits because you're playing against overmatched teams and you don't have to carry the burden of winning on your own as much.

I got better because I played with a bunch of adults who didn't want to play with a selfish kid that just wanted to gun all day. When they did let me play they told me to get the ball I had to go get it off the boards or steal it on D. And when I had it I had to learn to set others up at which point they felt comfortable putting it in my hands more and more because they knew I wouldn't just be gunning.

Coli bruhs are something else

 

[iceberg_is_on_fire]

I love this approach. I think part of why the foreign players come over doing their thing is because they get tossed to the fire earlier playing against older players and adults.

I think part of the problem too is that the kid's these days are more pampered coming up. Kids being put on stacked teams or reclassifying so they are playing against younger kids to look better. While a lot of the previous stars were fighting for playing time on the courts against older kids and had to deal with earning that floor time. They had to keep developing their games to find ways to stay on the court. I also loved how Gilbert Arenas approached it by putting his kid on a regular ass team where he'd develop the star mentality. When playing on a stacked team it's easy to fall into old habits because you're playing against overmatched teams and you don't have to carry the burden of winning on your own as much.

I got better because I played with a bunch of adults who didn't want to play with a selfish kid that just wanted to gun all day. When they did let me play they told me to get the ball I had to go get it off the boards or steal it on D. And when I had it I had to learn to set others up at which point they felt comfortable putting it in my hands more and more because they knew I wouldn't just be gunning.

I've put my son on many teams to play, to pass the time while waiting for his school team or his travel team to get back in season. Every step of the way is a litmus test as I've had him playing against older kids as well. His teammates weren't good and they were getting their heads beat down so how are you going to respond? 9 years old, competing against 11-12 year olds and still putting up decent numbers.

There is a misnomer it appears about this whole situation. Your kid still has to be able to play. If you are taking your kid to a trainer and he/she has been marginal for years, that's on you for blowing your money and not getting any return. You should have stepped in years ago to assess the situation. What are you attempting to get out of the training?
This is the part of the story where some parents don't keep it real. You need to scout your kid honestly.

I broke it down like this when I started taking him to a trainer as a third grader. Attached some random clips I had on my phone from this past school year. Mixture of school and travel team. He's ten in all clips.

Dribbling: Was pretty good, could do everything with either hand, needed to learn how to go downhill and have confidence to drive more. Typically breaks presses by himself.

Spoiler: Clips

Shooting: Needed to learn proper form and to create separation, was doing a push shot because he wasn't strong enough at the time.

Spoiler: Clips

Rebounding: Usually as a guard, he wasn't around the action for rebounds but in recent years, he's loved to crash boards so learning effective box outs.

Defense: Has always been good because he is freakishly fast. Now, let's couple that with sound technique. He now picks everyone up at at least half court. You aren't getting anything free on that side of the court.

Spoiler: Clips

Passing: If I were to say anything is the gift, it's this. You can't teach his vision as he processes what he sees faster than everyone else. As far as training, this is where time, compared to others, has been limited individually as his trainer would tell you, I don't fix what's not broken. If you watch him play, you'd see he does everything really well but even then, the passing stands out. Even he tells his teammates, just run with me, I'll find you.

Spoiler: Clips

You have to understand your kid's natural gifts and build from there. As I've said, for as good as he is now, I'm of no illusion that he's making the NBA. He's not. A college scholarship though? That's very much in play as he consistently shows up and shows out and it doesn't have to be division 1 either. So, I get the gripe about the entire process but parents need to take some accountability as well. I had a gameplan for my son and truthfully, it's working out better than anticipated because I found someone truly vested in my son's development and I hold everyone accountable for their part in this.

 

[iceberg_is_on_fire]

If you keep at it your boy going to be elite ,he already shooting right handed floaters and is a lefty (I’m guessing off the dribble pull up)

I use to play AAU with someone that was ambidextrous from a young age with the ball and he went number 1 in the 2010 draft

I appreciate it breh. Yes, he's a lefty. It was that ambidextrous nature that I picked up on early and have watched it manifest itself in games. He finishes with both hands with relative ease while I watch other kids use their dominant hand on both sides of the rim most of the time. Most righty's are fearful of taking a left handed layup.

Here are some clips of him finishing with his right and left hand in traffic.

Spoiler: Right hand

Spoiler: Left hand

That said, John Wall, he's not, lol but when I watch him play and the ways he's capable of producing, I always have to check what my eyes are seeing. Like, in many ways, I'm the biggest supporter and critic at the same time. You should never want to overestimate the capabilities of your children but every time out, no matter where we go, I never see anyone else doing this like him. It's like, I can't be bugging when coaches or parents of kids on other teams ask me what I do with him. I remember what I looked like at 10 years old, shyt was tragic. When its just he and I working, he does the same thing on both sides of the rim. If it's 10 reps of pound tweens to the left, then wrap back to the right for a pull up, the next 10 are pound tweens to the right, wrap back to the left into a pull up. He will not be one dimensional on the court like so many others.

As I reiterate though, I'm at every game, every training session, every practice. and I work with him when time allows at home. There is a method to the madness here. Given his natural gifts, there is more of a canvas to work with here, but I view it as my job to make sure the potential, whatever that is, gets fulfilled. The overwhelming majority of these parents aren't willing to commit like that.

 

[Primetime]

Why did the 2004 olympics team get smoked with 1 player missing?

Just cause people lack star power doesn't mean that they are bad players, star power just goes beyond basketball. Also it's hard to relate to the star power of young hoopers when you aren't young. I don't know if these kids love Ja and Ant like I loved AI or T Mac. They lack "aura" both on and off court, but they are very good at playing the game. Problem is that there are 4-5 europeans that are better. Is that cause the Europeans got better or cause the Americans got worse? Impossible to say.

You are also comparing 40 % of a decade with 10-15 year spans like Cwebb drafted in 93 to Dwill in 05, Bron in 03 to AD in 12 then Bam in 17 to Cade in 21.

Also (and I say this more-so to the op topic of rich kids, than American hoopers vs foreigners): 2 of the 3 most popular players of the last 25 years were sons of retired NBA players with upper class (or no worse than upper middle class) upbringings; no hood or street ish to them: Kobe and Curry. "Mamba Mentality" but he's a suburban kid who spent a chunk of his childhood in Italy. For a period of time, Kyrie felt like the most popular young guy amongst American kids; a suburban Muslim philosopher ( ) birthed in Australia where his American pops played professional hoops.

My point is, when it comes to star power, face of the league, aura, etc.,, we been (unknowingly or not) embracing rich kids as the top tier in that for a while now.

Not to mention if this level of social media and analytical dissection existed in the early 2000s, Iverson's perception would've gone from "heart, toughness, unguardable" to "30 points, on 30 shots [and 10 freethrows], shooting 39 percent, can't guard his own shadow, one good playoff run"... with numerous Morant-like off the court issues magnified on twitter and IG stories. So i agree it's hard to compare stannism bc it was a bit simpler back then; news didn't travel as fast and you weren't fed as much goord or as much uncontrolled/unregulated negative news about players.

 

[inndaskKy]

This the biggest reason for the massive decline in American hooper quality at the elite level

00s

Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, KG, TMac, AI, JKidd, Pierce, Ray, Dwight, DWade, Arrest, Arenas, Chauncey, Big Ben, Sheed, CWebb, JO, Amare, DWill

10s

Bron, KD, Steph, Kawhi, Harden, CP3, Russ, Rose, AD, Jimmy, Kyrie, Melo, PG, Klay, Draymond, Aldridge, Blake, Bosh, Love, Dame, Cousins, Wall

20s

Tatum, Hali, Ant, Ja, Brunson, DMitch, Jaylen, Booker, Cade, Trae, LaMelo, JDubb, Mobley, Bam, JJJ, Amen, Scottie, Herro



We lost recipes that why the actual elite superstars in this era be foreigners - Jokic, Giannis, SGA, Luka, Embiid, Wemby

Kobe, Steph, Klay, Love and Kyrie came from fathers who were pros though

 

[ISO]

If your parents didn’t play at a high level you’re not making it

Not all players parents made the NBA or WNBA but many of them played some level of college basketball or internationally

Knueppel’s moms is the All-Time leading scorer at Wisconsin-Green Bay and his pops and his brothers were high level 3-on-3 players

 

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