Richie Incognito

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Danny Kanell

 

[PortCityProphet]

You're switching up the subject....A player who is getting cut has stories to sell, no doubt...But a lot of stories that are leaked would not be privy to a player on the chopping block to begin with...And again, I'm assuming you've never been in a fight......As I stated earlier, "not all" fights end in black eyes and bruises....Did you see pic of Hugh Douglas with busted lip or eye?

Cats get knocked out sometimes and there is no mark left whatsoever......And sometimes cats just lock up and through random punches but none of them connect...You must of grew up in an upscale community or something

How am I changing anything up? So guys on the chopping block aren't in the locker room? They keep them I'm a whole different section of the building or something? Where do you think a lot of inside info comes from agents and people around the team. Honestly you don't think 1 player would have said anything to his agent or his brother or cousin or anybody? Not 1?
I can't recall about Hugh Douglass that was 10 years ago and before the Internet and blogs/twitter were huge.
And why yes I did grow up in an upscale community

 

[mrken12]

There might be an ulterior motive after all

Or they could be covering their asses by playing the classic "we never knew about this" card.

 

[philmonroe]

This for the most part....You can call it whatever you want, but its gonna viewed differently than the way internet posters percieve it...

Yeah cause I know people black/white that don't like racial comments regardless of who is doing it. Are them people wrong for calling people like us that call white people cacs and other names racist/bigots/etc? Or is it because we have nooo power in the white mans world (sarcasm)it's ok for us but not for them? That's why I don't get blacks going to over the top about racial shyt when we do it ourselves even though if I was SAS status wouldn't say it on tv. Ill say it on the Coli though. I also don't use it around white people cause I don't want them thinking its cool like Richie regardless of what some on here say. I personally don't know how a person can let a word that is said to obviously get you riled up do it. Nobody has that type of control over me fukk them cats that try that old ass first grade shyt.

 

[Amare's Right Hook]

It's easy to see whose a herb ass CAC in this thread

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

How am I changing anything up? So guys on the chopping block aren't in the locker room? They keep them I'm a whole different section of the building or something? Where do you think a lot of inside info comes from agents and people around the team. Honestly you don't think 1 player would have said anything to his agent or his brother or cousin or anybody? Not 1?
I can't recall about Hugh Douglass that was 10 years ago and before the Internet and blogs/twitter were huge.
And why yes I did grow up in an upscale community

Its obvious in your posts and reasoning, if you're not trolling that is

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Yeah cause I know people black/white that don't like racial comments regardless of who is doing it. Are them people wrong for calling people like us that call white people cacs and other names racist/bigots/etc? Or is it because we have nooo power in the white mans world (sarcasm)it's ok for us but not for them? That's why I don't get blacks going to over the top about racial shyt when we do it ourselves even though if I was SAS status wouldn't say it on tv. Ill say it on the Coli though. I also don't use it around white people cause I don't want them thinking its cool like Richie regardless of what some on here say. I personally don't know how a person can let a word that is said to obviously get you riled up do it. Nobody has that type of control over me fukk them cats that try that old ass first grade shyt.

I used to check non blacks real quick if they used that around me(supposedly in jest or mimicking a rap lyric), its disrespectful and its something I will not tolerate because they know the contextual history of the word....Their immediate retort would be that other blacks use it, and my response would be have you ever heard ME use it in your presence, and do you hang around those "other" blacks?

Even if they truly meant no harm, I just won't accept it. I grew up in Bham, AL and have been in at least a dozen fights all through elementary\jr high behind being called the N Word and those racial experiences were insignificant compared to some other ones(sad to say)

 

[HacksawJimThuggin]

Always said there's more to this story that we don't know because things aren't adding up. Starting to see what's happening here and everyone's motives are becoming a little bit more clear...


Just my personal guess, but at this point, what I think happened is the following...


What Incognito's dad said is true and Martin is a headcase who has mental problems and uses drugs.

Martin has a breakdown in the Dolphins cafeteria last week after a stupid prank. A prank that he was involved with when it was done to another player just a week earlier.

Martin goes to rehab/get some kind of help for his issues, that are more do to his mental sickness and just not being fit for the NFL than anything actually done in the locker room (remember, he sent Incognito a text just last week saying he wasn't blaming any of the players for his breakdown, it was "just the culture of fooball").

Dolphins are made aware of this and talk to Martin about possibly putting him on the "Non Football Injury List"

Martin, knowing that his pay for the rest of the season isn't guaranteed if he's placed on the NFI list, comes up with this "unsafe work environment" story to ensure he gets paid for the rest of the season and possibly a settlement beyond that. Which is probably his parents' idea, considering they're attorneys.

Incognito, the a$$hole class clown is accused of bullying and that voicemail he jokingly sent Martin is used as evidence to back such claims.







Just my opinion as of right now, considering what's unfolded. Don't expect anyone to agree at all, but this makes more sense than the story the media is giving us. The two things that has me most skeptical is the fact that Martin sent Incognito a text last week saying he didn't blame teammates, and then suddenly changes his tune; and also, Incognito was vehemently claiming his innocence on Twitter. Why would he do that if he knew he was actually bullying Martin and there was evidence to support those claims?

Incognito deserves whatever comes his way for leaving that dumb voicemail and putting himself in this position in the first place, but I don't think he's a racist, I think he just used poor judgment. Again, my own personal opinion. And also the opinion of all of his teammates and past teammates.

On Tuesday, former NFL running back Ricky Williams participated in a live chat on Deadspin. Williams offered up some interesting analysis on former Miami Dolphins teammate Richie Incognito.“I know Richie and you cannot be a racist and ask a black man for help. not possible. Richie asked me for help.”

There hasn't been a single person yet that's said this dude is actually a racist bully. Not one. And every single player/ex-player asked has stood up for him. I find that interesting. But let the Coli tell it, and they're all just "c00ns" covering up for a racist guy that they have no allegiance to anymore, and there's no benefit in doing so.

 

[philmonroe]

I used to check non blacks real quick if they used that around me(supposedly in jest or mimicking a rap lyric), its disrespectful and its something I will not tolerate because they know the contextual history of the word....Their immediate retort would be that other blacks use it, and my response would be have you ever heard ME use it in your presence, and do you hang around those "other" blacks?

Even if they truly meant no harm, I just won't accept it. I grew up in Bham, AL and have been in at least a dozen fights all through elementary\jr high behind being called the N Word and those racial experiences were insignificant compared to some other ones(sad to say)

I hear but personally its hard for people to get me riled up esp using that word if they did cause I know that's what they are trying to do. If somebody chooses to handle it different thats how they do I can understand that too. I just choose not to let people get me that easily.

 

[PortCityProphet]

Its obvious in your posts and reasoning, if you're not trolling that is

Reasoning for what? Only poor people fight? ok then cool. We'll go with that line of thinking.

 

[Jesus]

Heard the alleged voicemail...he was clearly joking, BUT fukk THAT shyt. I don't joke with cacs and saying "******/nikka" is absolutely not acceptable. The "cum in my mouth" joke is almost as offensive...wish a nikka would tell me to practically suck his dikk.

Can't believe the c00ns in this thread and in the Dolphins locker room cool with this shyt.

 

[HacksawJimThuggin]

As far as I'm concerned, the writing is on the wall, at this point. Basically said what I've been saying all along...

Ricky Williams: Maybe Martin doesn't belong in NFL

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  controversy involving Miami Dolphins offensive linemen Richie Incognito and Jonathan Martin?
  
  Williams played with Incognito in Miami and shared Martin's need to step away from the NFL lifestyle. One never knows what answers Williams will provide, but they are consistently refreshing and thought-provoking as opposed to typical jock bromides.
  
  In a Tuesday morning interview with KGMZ in San Francisco, Williams balked at the idea that Incognito's actions qualify as hazing or bullying in the uniquely demanding culture of professional football.
  
  "How is bullying something that's even mentioned regarding the NFL," Williams wondered, "because that's kind of what we're taught to do -- at least on the field -- is to bully the guy across from us so we can win the football game?
  "It's kind of what we're subjected to on a day-to-day basis that most people will never be able to understand. ... What we're required to do physically, mentally and emotionally for the course of a season is astronomical; it's amazing. And I'm not saying that it's bad. I'm saying it just really speaks to what it takes to be a professional football player. And to me there's no room to play the victim or to be bullied or to even have that discussion when it comes to the NFL. If you're having that discussion, it just means that maybe you don't belong in the NFL."
  
  Williams should know. Nine years ago, he came to his own realization that he didn't belong in the NFL.
  
  "I think I can relate and I can speak on this because I was at a point where I was done with the NFL and I needed to take a break," Williams said. "But unlike Jonathan, I didn't have to find a scapegoat or someone to blame. ... I didn't have to bring anyone else down when I found out that I just couldn't handle what I was going through at the time."
  
  Williams went through many of the same experiences as Martin early in his career, but emphasized that he never took it as a personal attack.
  
  "I just understood that's the nature of the game," Williams explained. "When I came in as a rookie, they called me 'Ricky Weirdo.' And they busted my balls and they gave me a hard time, but I just laughed because it was funny. ... If someone sent me those messages, I would send a text back and call him a redneck and put 'lol.' To me, situations that you got yourself into, you got yourself into. It falls on you to find a way to get yourself out. And I'm not judging the way he got himself out of the situation. I actually think it's quite brilliant.
  
  "There's all these text messages and these voice messages. It takes some awareness and some planning and some orchestration to actually save those and record those. ... (Martin) is fighting (Incognito), but he's just doing it in his own way. If we're going to talk about the story as a hazing story -- which doesn't fit -- or as a bullying story, it's really a great example of the kid that is 'getting bullied' fighting back in his own way. ... I think they're both victims. I think the truth is never going to come out. One guy has a paid vacation. And one guy has a vacation that's not paid right now."
  
  Asked about the racist language allegedly used by Incognito in text and voice messages, Williams took exception to the notion that societal standards apply to a locker room setting.
  
  "It's not inflammatory if it's your family," Williams said. "When you look at a team, especially two guys that play the same position, and you really understand how much time they spend together, you can't put it in the context that you would put it outside of a family setting. ... If you had a tape recorder in the locker room, you would hear a lot of stuff that wouldn't fly in the media. A football team, the NFL, it's a fraternity. ... It's not fair and it's not right for people on the outside to judge and try to figure out what's going on on the inside because most of the people on the outside wouldn't last a week on an NFL team."
  In Williams' experience, Incognito is not a racist. He also believes coach Joe Philbin's responsibility was to step in only when the actions of the other linemen affected Martin's play.
  
  "The locker room, we keep coaches out for a reason. It's our space," Williams emphasized. "When I look at the issue, it's not about racism, it's not about bullying, it's not about hazing. It's about a lack of leadership in that locker room. ... And this is just one of the ways in which it's manifested."
  
  Williams' comments are fascinating, but it's fair to wonder if he's letting Philbin and a troubled Incognito off the hook.
  
  Hall of Famer Bill Walsh's coaching tree never tolerated any form of hazing or harassing. Pete Carrolldoesn't allow it in Seattle. Jimmy Johnson and Mike Shanahan have said they've never witnessedbullying to the extent that is alleged in this circumstance.
  
  The hope now is that the Dolphins' leadership failure will lead to positive change as more NFL locker rooms embrace Walsh's philosophies and reject a philistine vestige of the sports' past.
  
  The "Around The League Podcast" recapped every Week 9 game. Click here to listen and subscribe

 

[Jesus]

Martin is a p*ssy ass half nikka though.

 

[mrken12]

Heard the alleged voicemail...he was clearly joking, BUT fukk THAT shyt. I don't joke with cacs and saying "******/nikka" is absolutely not acceptable. The "cum in my mouth" joke is almost as offensive...wish a nikka would tell me to practically suck his dikk.

Can't believe the c00ns in this thread and in the Dolphins locker room cool with this shyt.

Martin is a p*ssy ass half nikka though.

How is Martin in the wrong? Especially after you just said that Incognito was out of line?

 

[Jesus]

How is Martin in the wrong? Especially after you just said that Incognito was out of line?

Martin isn't in the wrong...he's just soft and mentally fragile. Incacnito is the wrong one.