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Miami Dolphins’ coaches asked player Richie Incognito, who was the offensive line’s undisputed leader, to toughen up teammate Jonathan Martin after he missed a voluntary workout last spring, at least two sources told the Sun Sentinel.

The sources told the paper they believe that Incognito, who is accused of using racially incendiary language and bullying tactics against Martin, may have taken those orders too far.

It’s not clear whether those marching orders will now become part of a pending investigation by the NFL into the Dolphins’ locker room culture, and the alleged bullying that took place between Incognito and Martin.

“I’m just trying to weather the storm right now. This will pass,” Incognito told WSVN-TV when reached outside a doctor’s office.
:ohhh:http://touch.sun-sentinel.com/#section/1204/article/p2p-78065907/
 
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Please use context please do. Since you seem out of it I will explain why our examples aren't the same. If I'm about to fight somebody non black that is more likely to have them call me a slur than in normal convo because like I said before maybe I'm lucky, intimidating, or something cause this being called outta my name shyt doesn't happen to me. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one. In your example your saying walk up to an authority figure while I get what you're saying why do that in normal dealings? Most people just don't do anywaythat that's why I said context. How many times have you been called out of your name in public? They don't have power over you (I thought I even put "power" like this maybe not) you freely give it by letting them rile you when that is their goal anyway.

Your previous example was that if a bum calls you out your name you would think nothing of it because you believe a bum is beneath you. That was your example in showing how if you get mad over words then you are admitting that a person has power over you, so just as you wouldnt get mad at a bum, you shouldnt get mad at white people or else youre admitting your inferiority.

From the beginning i said its not about getting mad or angry, its about respect. As a man, you should command respect. If a bum calls you out your name, you shrug it off not because hes beneath you or because you'd be admitting inferiority otherwise, you shrug it off because theres nothing you can do about it. If you had to deal with the bum everyday and face his disrespect on a daily basis, you would want the ability to make him face some repercussions for his actions....not because you're mad at him but because you're a man and should be addressed as one. You're letting him know that's not acceptable. Respect.

That is where your "you're admitting they have power over you" logic falls apart and that is what my example showed. You think a CEO gives a shyt about what you call him? That hes mad at you? After all hes making ten, if not a hundred times more money than you. Of course hes not mad, but hed fire you to let you know, you cant go walking around calling him out his name. You haven't "won". You haven't "gotten too him". You aren't are safe from repercussions because otherwise, he'd be admitting hes beneath you otherwise. That's nonsense.

A black man has just as much right to want to be respected as a CEO and it has nothing to do with anger or rage. Either words have power over you, as you believe, or they dont. It cant be conditional. "Well if youre black words shouldnt matter, but if youre a white ceo or anybody in a position of power with the ability to affect the outcome of the situation, well then, in that case, they should."

You don't know what type of past martin had in dealing with being half-white. You don't know if being called half-****** took him back to when he was a kid and had to deal with that bullshyt. He was in a position to get rid of icognito, just as a ceo is in a position to fire your ass for disrepecting him, and he got rid of icognito. Your experience with your friends means jack shyt. You and your experiences with your friends are irrelevant in this.
 
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Do y'all check white people at concerts that say nikka? Ain't never seen it!
Kid rock had a song that I think was a single in which he used nikka....jay z still fukkked with him.
Hell Gilbert Arenas took a dump in a rookie shoe before and nobody called for it to be handled.


Context is everything....and for Martin to save everything it doesn't seem like racial/ethnic jokes amongst friends. Like calling Asian dudes Charlie or calling an Indian dude "my sand nikka". From 8th grade plus I was in a diverse environment and racial and ethnic jokes are what we did. If ya couldn't handle it or fire back you were outcasted in some circles. Getting mad over racial jokes was always bytchmade. Racism wasn't cool...but drunken Irish jokes are good for a laugh, haha.

And we ignore the truth...

Just wait till the story comes out coaches asked incognito to make him tough. He said all things that rattle "black" people traditionally since a lot of black people buck over sick humor uf you will to get a reaction. But I hope that wasn't the voicemail cause that sounds like white guy humor and that would probably give Martin flashback to some of those arrogant white dudes at all frats USA! If it wasn't for the white women, no drama fun, and beer...I'd never had accidentally known those type.
 

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Damn, Lebartard and Golic are going at it. They had to cut the audio a couple times.
 
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But what pisses me off is people acting like cognito a action indicated a fist fight...you may think someone is going to gun you down. This ain't 1950...lots of fights lead straight to gun play. Ain't nobody truly fighting cause gun play will get into it.
 

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Do y'all check white people at concerts that say nikka? Ain't never seen it!
Kid rock had a song that I think was a single in which he used nikka....jay z still fukkked with him.
Hell Gilbert Arenas took a dump in a rookie shoe before and nobody called for it to be handled.


Context is everything....and for Martin to save everything it doesn't seem like racial/ethnic jokes amongst friends. Like calling Asian dudes Charlie or calling an Indian dude "my sand nikka". From 8th grade plus I was in a diverse environment and racial and ethnic jokes are what we did. If ya couldn't handle it or fire back you were outcasted in some circles. Getting mad over racial jokes was always bytchmade. Racism wasn't cool...but drunken Irish jokes are good for a laugh, haha.

Not everyone is OK with being referred to by a racial slur. Friends calling each other racial epithets and being cool with it? :comeon: Yall really are some good friends, huh?:what:
 

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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...e-you-dont-belong-in-nfl?campaign=Twitter_atl

rickey williams has a interesting take

"I just understood that's the nature of the game," Williams explained. "When I came in as a rookie, they called me 'Ricky Weirdo.' And they busted my balls and they gave me a hard time, but I just laughed because it was funny. ... If someone sent me those messages, I would send a text back and call him a redneck and put 'lol.' To me, situations that you got yourself into, you got yourself into. It falls on you to find a way to get yourself out. And I'm not judging the way he got himself out of the situation. I actually think it's quite brilliant.

I agree, it's unfortunate Martin couldn't handle this shyt behind closed doors but some folk just aren't built like that.
 

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I agree, it's unfortunate Martin couldn't handle this shyt behind closed doors but some folk just aren't built like that.

Martin seems way more calculating than soft...imo.
 

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Not everyone is OK with being referred to by a racial slur. Friends calling each other racial epithets and being cool with it? :comeon: Yall really are some good friends, huh?:what:


Yeah. Cracking jokes, trying to piss each other off, doing dumb shyt, drinking, video games, and sports. What else kinda friendship would you have with dudes?

If ya need some emotional support get a woman or a dog.
 

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Yeah. Cracking jokes, trying to piss each other off, doing dumb shyt, drinking, video games, and sports. What else kinda friendship would you have with dudes?

If ya need some emotional support get a woman or a dog.

Cracking jokes are fine but racial jokes are not hahahha to me. Neither are jokes about family members or significant others, children, etc. Some shyt is out of line and my dudes don't go there.

Your last sentence is fukking retarded. You gotta be a real douchebag to find racial slurs funny.
 

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Cracking jokes are fine but racial jokes are not hahahha to me. Neither are jokes about family members or significant others, children, etc. Some shyt is out of line and my dudes don't go there.

Your last sentence is fukking retarded. You gotta be a real douchebag to find racial slurs funny.

To each they own. Maybe you really never hung out with a racially diverse group of people or even just white people. I think people are too sensitive at times and need to grow a pair...im not saying do it to random people. I def called white friends "my cracka" joking around.

Most racist social experiences was hearing a "white girl talking about she don't like black people behind closed doors " and don't want to hang out or what have you. Or a white person calling you Oreo behind closed doors....and I don't Fucck with those people. That's the kinda racism that gets to me! Sorry I was from a two parent home and didn't push a hoopty in college!...like all black people suppose to have nothing and only go to college if an athlete?
 

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To each they own. Maybe you really never hung out with a racially diverse group of people or even just white people. I think people are too sensitive at times and need to grow a pair...im not saying do it to random people. I def called white friends "my cracka" joking around.

Most racist social experiences was hearing a "white girl talking about she don't like black people behind closed doors " and don't want to hang out or what have you. Or a white person calling you Oreo behind closed doors....and I don't Fucck with those people. That's the kinda racism that gets to me! Sorry I was from a two parent home and didn't push a hoopty in college!...like all black people suppose to have nothing and only go to college if an athlete?


Err....my group of friends are from all kinds of different racial backgrounds. White, Indian, black (African), black (Carribean), Persian, etc. We don't address each other using racial slurs. I've seen other people do it that didn't really know me too well and I told em I'm not cool with it. Some dudes think mom jokes are cool. Not me....especially if you know my mom. C'mon. It has nothing to do with being sensitive and more to do with respect. If your friends don't respect you then what do you have? I'm gonna eat at your crib, have your moms make me a meal and then use a moms joke? Nah.
 

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Miami Dolphins’ coaches asked player Richie Incognito, who was the offensive line’s undisputed leader, to toughen up teammate Jonathan Martin after he missed a voluntary workout last spring, at least two sources told the Sun Sentinel.

The sources told the paper they believe that Incognito, who is accused of using racially incendiary language and bullying tactics against Martin, may have taken those orders too far.

It’s not clear whether those marching orders will now become part of a pending investigation by the NFL into the Dolphins’ locker room culture, and the alleged bullying that took place between Incognito and Martin.

“I’m just trying to weather the storm right now. This will pass,” Incognito told WSVN-TV when reached outside a doctor’s office.

:ohhh:http://touch.sun-sentinel.com/#section/1204/article/p2p-78065907/

the coaches wound him up and set him loose on martin. they knew what kind of dude he was and there were no lines he wouldn't cross (outside of outright injuring the guy) to get him to "toughen up". and he probably did need some toughening up. i think it's foul if incognito takes the fall for all of this on his own, and he probably will because he doesn't come off as the type of cat that snitches, but i can guarantee you the coaches knew exactly what was going on and supported it.

anyone who's ever played sports in high school or college can cosign this type of hazing and "bullying" is in the dna of sports and coaches encourage it to some extent even though they'll say otherwise in the media. hell, even in pick up games with people you hardly know regular hazing goes on. that's part of the weird comradery of sports. you go through it and gain the respect of your teammates and also develop a tough skin. why? because guys on the other team are going to do and say far worse and you can't let them get in your head and fukc up your game.

i'll admit incognito might have taken it too far and didn't realize how emotionally fragile martin really was, but personally i feel like this is getting blown out of proportion because martin had a mental breakdown. this type of behavior, name calling and all, is par for the course on any team sport played at a high level.

i do agree with those saying if there were any signs of martin not responding to the "toughening up" or if he mentioned specific concerns about his safety to the team, then they should have done something. i just hope they don't go on some witch hunt crackdown on hazing though. if so pretty soon lingerie football will be both tougher than the nfl and more entertaining to watch.
 
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