Rick Ross - Mastermind ethered AGAIN by another review, this time by Needle Drop

[Flav]

nikka(cac?) any black person who posts on this site has probably dapped a cac that looks like him.....yall makeup 80% of this forum and yall are very good at pretending to be black online

This cac is not qualified to judge this music and as a black man you lost if u take him seriously.

i dont take nobody OPINION on here seriously.i just understand how people can say "you gotta be black and look a type of way to have a valid opinion in hiphop".shyt sound pretty stupid to me.

but if thats how you feel...proceed.

 

[Da King]

I'm listening now. Okay, Sean raps and then it blends into Kanye raps. This song sucks anyways.

Kill ya self cornball

 

[Flav]

Why would I trust a cac to tell me musi about my own culture

what the fukk is up with you idiots today? nobody said trust and believe a gotdamn review from a person on youtube.its a guy talking about a album he didnt like and you fools go full out black panther on him.

 

[tirademode]

The tone of his voice / girth of his head bothers me .

Last review I bothered to watch of his was for Wolf , which he only gave a rating of 6 even though it took 12 minutes of positive comments and over the top hand gestures to get to that point .

Dude is painful .

 

[dakidiscrazy]

Wow . Another hipster ass white boy giving a bias review. This guy always shyts on Ross. Just look at all the corny ass jokes. Whats even funnier is the fact that the majority of this album's reviews were positive. These little ross haters just wanna use bias bullshyt like this as fuel to discredit the man. As if a review from some hipster whiteboy is gonna change people's perceptions of Ross. fukk outta here. Fact is, most people who heard mastermind liked it. Period. This is one of Ross's best albums. Maybe not lyrically, but "overall" wise. beat selection was good. Bars were nice. He didnt rap to is full potential on some tracks but it was still decent. He was conscious on this album and that's something you barely get from Ross. Ross gave motivation and inspiration on this album and actually painted motivational pictures on certain songs.. Compare this album to GFID where all he did was brag the whole fukking album.

You know whats funny? I bet if Ross was rapping over a bunch of cracker ass hipster beats or some techno garbage , this groupie would have loved the album. He would have been praising it Funny how people who dont know shyt about hiphop culture wanna judge a real hiphop album which is what mastermind was. This corny ass dude knows nothing about the streets. Just look at him. Dude is a blatant hipster who doesn't like street rap. Lmao at the little curly groupies who use this bias lackluster review at validation. Whether you want to admit it or not, that album was critically reviewed as good by the majority of the ones who listened to it. Even people who said they hated Ross, liked the album. And thats another thing. These same dudes claiming they hate ross are the same ones downloading his content. They be fans on the low.

 

[RTF]

Indeed. There are a lot of reviews of his that I disagree with, but he takes clear stances, and he backs up his points. That's all I can ask for.

I agree he's good at expressing his points and what he likes. He would be excellent at writing essays for example... it doesn't mean that he's right.

Look how he doesn't like the last Arctic Monkeys record



But the album is rated at 81 overall on Metacritic.

http://www.metacritic.com/music/am/arctic-monkeys

 

[Ronnie Lott]

I'm not trying to ignore the cultural aspect of it, because it's definitely relevant in understanding/creating/digesting black art forms. But the cultural aspect isn't the only side of it. At the end of the day, Rick Ross makes music. As such, music experts/critics legitimate sources of knowledge to judge the music from, just like people from the culture do. They just have different perspectives. That's like me telling you that you can't appreciate the movie The Godfather since you weren't in the mafia.

And most of Fantano's critique hasn't been based around Rick Ross' authenticity anyway - it's been about the music. Between his GFID review and this one, his criticism has been consistent: he said his production was hit or miss, that Ross isn't doing anything new that he hasn't done before, that he has wack flows, that his storylines don't have any tension and that he doesn't show enough depth in the street life he talks about. Those are all valid musical critiques.

Let me ask you this: Take country music for example, the white folks who live, die, eat, sleep and breath country music. The white folks who live on farms, wear wranglers, go to rodeos, line dance at country western bars. The white folks who live on ranches, ride horses, cowboys, drive pick up trucks with American flags/ confederate flags and listen and support MFs like Kenny Chesney, Garth Brooks or Clint black, do you think those white folks would lend any credibilty if Sway, Charlemagne, Angela Yee, Envy, Vibe Magazine, Ebro, or any other black music critic or black reviewer of music?

Do u think that white fans of country music/bluegrass would waste a minute of their time to pay attention to the opinion of any of the black people i named? HELL NO THEY WOULDNT. They would laugh at the mere idea of one of those black people who dont come from or live that country shyt like they do. Angela Yee, Charlamage, Sway etc dont live that culture, they didnt grow up with that shyt, they are essentially outsiders, just like this white boy that gave this review. There is no way in hell that I would listen to this white dudes opinion on hip hop. Whether it be good or bad. his voice holds no weight with me.

But we have MFs in this thread runnin to this cats defense, when white folks who listen to country music, heavy metal, acid rock WOULD NEVER take a black persons review of the genre of music serious. Like i said, dude is disconnected like a MF. His opinion of rap doesnt mean shyt to me

 

[WickedGames]

what the fukk is up with you idiots today? nobody said trust and believe a gotdamn review from a person on youtube.its a guy talking about a album he didnt like and you fools go full out black panther on him.

 

[Bondye Vodou]

Looks like the type that owns a g-unit tank top & all of eminem's catalog. Of course he hates Ross.

 

[DrX]

we listening to cac hipster opinions now?

 

[Big Mel]

Let me ask you this: Take country music for example, the white folks who live, die, eat, sleep and breath country music. The white folks who live on farms, wear wranglers, go to rodeos, line dance at country western bars. The white folks who live on ranches, ride horses, cowboys, drive pick up trucks with American flags/ confederate flags and listen and support MFs like Kenny Chesney, Garth Brooks or Clint black, do you think those white folks would lend any credibilty if Sway, Charlemagne, Angela Yee, Envy, Vibe Magazine, Ebro, or any other black music critic or black reviewer of music?

Do u think that white fans of country music/bluegrass would waste a minute of their time to pay attention to the opinion of any of the black people i named? HELL NO THEY WOULDNT. They would laugh at the mere idea of one of those black people who dont come from or live that country shyt like they do. Angela Yee, Charlamage, Sway etc dont live that culture, they didnt grow up with that shyt, they are essentially outsiders, just like this white boy that gave this review. There is no way in hell that I would listen to this white dudes opinion on hip hop. Whether it be good or bad. his voice holds no weight with me.

But we have MFs in this thread runnin to this cats defense, when white folks who listen to country music, heavy metal, acid rock WOULD NEVER take a black persons review of the genre of music serious. Like i said, dude is disconnected like a MF. His opinion of rap doesnt mean shyt to me

Sway doesn't listen to country. Fantano listens to rap. Stick to weightlifting.

 

[RTF]

Nobody is an expert on every type of music, despite having eclectic tastes. Heck, I don't think many people can talk expertly on all types of hip-hop. That's why publications are a bit more fair than just one persons opinion.

 

[WEKetchum]

Let me ask you this: Take country music for example, the white folks who live, die, eat, sleep and breath country music. The white folks who live on farms, wear wranglers, go to rodeos, line dance at country western bars. The white folks who live on ranches, ride horses, cowboys, drive pick up trucks with American flags/ confederate flags and listen and support MFs like Kenny Chesney, Garth Brooks or Clint black, do you think those white folks would lend any credibilty if Sway, Charlemagne, Angela Yee, Envy, Vibe Magazine, Ebro, or any other black music critic or black reviewer of music?

Do u think that white fans of country music/bluegrass would waste a minute of their time to pay attention to the opinion of any of the black people i named? HELL NO THEY WOULDNT. They would laugh at the mere idea of one of those black people who dont come from or live that country shyt like they do. Angela Yee, Charlamage, Sway etc dont live that culture, they didnt grow up with that shyt, they are essentially outsiders, just like this white boy that gave this review. There is no way in hell that I would listen to this white dudes opinion on hip hop. Whether it be good or bad. his voice holds no weight with me.

But we have MFs in this thread runnin to this cats defense, when white folks who listen to country music, heavy metal, acid rock WOULD NEVER take a black persons review of the genre of music serious. Like i said, dude is disconnected like a MF. His opinion of rap doesnt mean shyt to me

that's a terrible comparison.

Sway, Charlemagne, Angela Yee, Envy, Vibe Magazine, and Ebro only cover black music. This is a bad comparison because Anthony Fantano consistently covers rap music, along with all of the other genres he covers. He reviews just about every important rap album that comes out. The people you named literally don't cover country music at all. Country/bluegrass fans wouldn't care about their opinion because they never have one.

A better comparison would be asking if country/bluegrass fans value the opinion of magazines like Spin or Rolling Stone: magazines that may not be completely focused on country music, but that still cover it. Do they value those magazines? I don't know. No way of knowing.

Look, I can understand being protective of hip-hop culture - and to a certain extent, I agree with it. The first step of black music being completely taken away is when outsiders adopt it. So I get it. But we need to look at things on a case by case basis, and not just assume that corny white dudes are outsiders who don't have a valuable opinion. Some of the corniest-looking white dudes I know are some of the most sincere, substantial contributors to hip-hop culture that I've ever met. Plus, with how much hip-hop draws influence from other genres, I'm not completely shutting out opinions from outside of the culture off top; I'll hear out their opinions and weigh it out from there. I may not trust people like that as the go-to authority for rap, but I don't really trust anyone as a go-to authority nowadays because the process has been too polluted, as I said before.

 

[Big Mel]

^^^^I'll go one step further and assert that most of these cats who wanna safeguard hip hop have next to no true working knowledge of the genre and are merely cats raised in a culture of poverty, not hip hop. They'll grant snakes like Puff Daddy a pass because he's black. That's insidious.

 

[mobbinfms]

I'm not trying to ignore the cultural aspect of it, because it's definitely relevant in understanding/creating/digesting black art forms. But the cultural aspect isn't the only side of it. At the end of the day, Rick Ross makes music. As such, music experts/critics legitimate sources of knowledge to judge the music from, just like people from the culture do. They just have different perspectives. That's like me telling you that you can't appreciate the movie The Godfather since you weren't in the mafia.

And most of Fantano's critique hasn't been based around Rick Ross' authenticity anyway - it's been about the music. Between his GFID review and this one, his criticism has been consistent: he said his production was hit or miss, that Ross isn't doing anything new that he hasn't done before, that he has wack flows, that his storylines don't have any tension and that he doesn't show enough depth in the street life he talks about. Those are all valid musical critiques.

Great point. But it's actually like saying only a member of the Mafia would be qualified to rate/critique the movie.