Robert Horry: Steph Curry right now is better than prime Kobe Bryant

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act like the entire time shaq was on the lakers that he wasn't the focal point of opposing team defenses
act like shaq wasn't the most unstoppable player in the entire earth when he was with the lakers
act like kobe would've gotten his stats had he been playing with anyone other than the most unstoppable center in the entire league


3 straight finals mvp's and a league mvp while shaq was with the lakers >>>>> 1 all star game mvp for kobe while shaq was the man in town :mjlol:

how about the finals loss against the pistons where he shot 38% from the field :flabbynsick: i bet you blame that on shaq and his 63% fg and double double average for the series too right :heh:
17% from 3 :flabbynsick:
29 more shots than shaq and scored less points :scust:

You just contradicted yourself. You said Kobe got his good stats from playing next to Shaq. Then you criticized Kobe for putting up bad stats next to Shaq. Which is it? Fact is, both players were the focus of the defense, just like Klay and Curry. Neither Shaq, nor Kobe would put up the numbers they did without each other.
 

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Kobe met the Canadian, who "stole" his MVPs, in the playoffs and proceeded to let his entire team get bodied and carved up by said Cac. :mjlol:

Where was this elite defense when Nash was embarrassing his entire squad? :jbhmm:

Take the opposing team's best offensive player out, my ass :pachaha:

Let a 6'3 Cac come back from a 1-3 lead and talk about elite defense, brehs. :mjlol:
If you really try to claim kobe wasnt an elite defender you have no place in this discussion. That simple.
 

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If you really try to claim kobe wasnt an elite defender you have no place in this discussion. That simple.
Kobe was a great defender when he wanted to be. He wasn't consistently going out there shutting people down. He had stretches where he didn't play any defense. That's why people call him overrated as a defender.
 

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And still in his prime he's easily very significantly better at it than Curry. Not even comparable really.
From what I remembered Kobe off the ball defense wasn't all that great, some times suspect. He did good on man to man coverage but not on the same elite level as Ron Artest and Scottie Pippen.
 

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Kobe never consistently bricked wide open 3's. He bricked 3's with defenders all in his grill, just like Jordan did. When Curry is guarded like that (instead of coming off of screens and getting out in transition), he shoots 9 for 27. Curry is a 1-trick pony, who is only consistent when he's wide open. He runs from guys like Barea, and gets punked by guys like Galloway, Rose, and Bradley. He and (Durant) need screens (see Durant getting punked by Tony Allen) and neither have a post game. People say Curry makes layups and step-backs. Nope. Those shots only make up 26% of his fga's combined because he can't make them any more consistently than the Klays, Reddikks, Danny Greens, Novaks, Korvers, etc. Curry is a great wide open shooter, and that's where it ends. Not a great shooter, a great wide open shooter, just like Klay, Reddikk, Danny Green, Novak, and Korver. He's not nearly as good at it as a healthy Korver.

Only 48% of Curry's fga's are where defenders are within 4 feet of him: NBA.com/Stats and NBA.com/Stats. Curry has no versatility. No athleticism whatsoever, so he rarely attempts layups. Horry said "he can float you". He takes less than 1 floater per game. Meanwhile, guys like Kobe, Lillard, Kyrie, Durant, 'Melo, and Jordan take fadeaways, layups, step-backs, turnarounds, etc more often because they can make those shots consistently. Kobe, Jordan, and 'Melo even have a post game. Unlike Jordan and Kobe, 'Melo has even developed a great 3-point game, but is struggling this season from 3 because of his knee. He will probably be back to shooting 40% from 3 by next season. People (including Curry) take the shots that they can hit consistently, and rightly so.

As far as the other nonsense that has been stated in this thread: Horry never said Curry is the better player, so I don't know why that's even being argued. He wasn't even asked that; he was asked if he was the better "offensive" player. But I'll speak on it anyway:

People say Curry "doesn't take a lot of shots". That's a lie. This season, he's averaging 19.6 fga's per game. That's Kobe's career average. Now, how many 60-point games through 3 quarters does he have? 80-point games? What kind of "willing passer" takes that many shots when he's the pg and has Klay on his team? What kind of "willing passer" goes 10-25, especially when he's the pg, and has Klay on his team?

To say Kobe can't win with a team like the Warriors is stupid. Especially when he's already won with shooters all around him. He had guys like Horry, Fisher, etc. It's easier to put up points when you have players to distract defenses for you. It's difficult to do numbers when the defense can consistently load up on you and no one besides Jordan has ever endured the crowding that Kobe has, no matter what his team looked like. Curry doesn't even get doubled for the full game because when his teammates start hitting their wide open 3's, all that doubling stops. Kobe also doesn't need to play depleted teams (Pelicans & Cavs), teams who can't score (Grizz), and a washed D12.
Popovich never beat Kobe in a 7-game series. The Triangle gives Popovich so many fits that he had to copy the offense.:laff:Curry won't beat Popovich if Popovich isn't throwing the series like he did against the Clippers last season and like he did against the Heat in 2013. Curry won't beat Popovich in a fair fight where the refs aren't helping him.

I'm not convinced that the Warriors will beat any contender this post-season, considering all they're doing is outscoring teams. Unlike last season, they're playing no defense whatsoever. They gave up 105 to the mighty Sixers, 121 to Washington, and 108 last night (barely getting enough stops to win in their own building). They're 18th in ppg allowed. They won't have the same ppg average in the post-season that they're having now. They didn't last post-season. A depleted Cavs team held them 10 points under their average because in the playoffs, a team doesn't have 82 games stopping them from concentrating on their defensive strategy.

Back to this ridiculous comparison: Curry's defense doesn't exist. Someone said Kobe is an "overrated" defender, even if that were true, he'd still be better on defense than Curry, which is the issue at hand. People say Curry "doesn't play a lot of 4th quarters". Another lie. He's averaging 34 mpg, which is full minutes, and only 4 less mpg than his career high. He was "fresh" for the Finals last season, but still managed to get punked by Delly.

As for iggy's defense giving him MVP: what defense? Lj averaged a near triple-double. If making him shoot 40% matters, what about Iggy shooting an elite fg% while Curry's fg% was trash?
Curry's handle is trash (just like Kobe's). Curry turns the ball over and ton. He does this 3.4 times per game:



He wasn't even "getting fancy" with the ball, like the commentator tried to claim. The "fanciest" thing he did was dribble through his legs. He just lost it from dribbling. And with a big on him too. And a big who can't defend, at that.

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It's interesting how we don't hear from those who say Kobe is a better shooter. That propaganda. :wow:
 
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Kobe was a great defender when he wanted to be. He wasn't consistently going out there shutting people down. He had stretches where he didn't play any defense. That's why people call him overrated as a defender.
steph couldn't even be a great defender if he wanted to..thats why its no comparison
 

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Kobe never consistently bricked wide open 3's. He bricked 3's with defenders all in his grill, just like Jordan did. When Curry is guarded like that (instead of coming off of screens and getting out in transition), he shoots 9 for 27. Curry is a 1-trick pony, who is only consistent when he's wide open. He runs from guys like Barea, and gets punked by guys like Galloway, Rose, and Bradley. He and (Durant) need screens and neither have a post game. People are always talking about how Curry can make layups and step-backs. Nope. There's a reason why those shots only make up 26% of his fga's combined. The reason is that he can't make them any more consistently than the Klays, Reddikks, Danny Greens, Novaks, Korvers, etc. Curry is a great wide open shooter, and that's where it ends. Not a great shooter, a great wide open shooter, just like Klay, Reddikk, Danny Green, Novak, and Korver. He's not nearly as good at it as a healthy Korver. Only 26% of Curry's fga's (4.6) are with defenders within 4 feet of him and he shoots a sparkling (read: putrid) 39% on those shots: NBA.com/Stats. Even the midrange shots and 3's that he takes are, as I said, wide open, mostly coming off of screens and getting out in transition. People take the shots that they can hit consistently. Guys like Kobe, Lillard, Kyrie, Durant, 'Melo, and Jordan (to name a few) take fadeaways, layups, step-backs, turnarounds, etc more often because they can make those shots consistently. Kobe, Jordan, and 'Melo even have a post game. 'Melo has developed a great 3-point game, but is struggling this season from 3 because of his knee. He'll probably be back to shooting 40% from 3 by next season. Curry has no versatility. He can only make about 2 shots consistently and he has to be wide open to even make those consistently. He has no athleticism whatsoever, which is why he doesn't attempt layups that much.

As far as the other nonsense that has been stated in this thread: Horry never said Curry is the better player, so I don't know why that's even being argued. He wasn't even asked that; he was asked if he was the better "offensive" player. But I'll address it anyway:

What kind of "willing passer" goes 10-25? Especially when that "willing passer" is the pg? Especially when that "willing passer" has Klay on his team?

To say Kobe can't win with shooters all around him is stupid. Especially when he's already done it. He had guys like Horry, Fisher, etc. It's easier to put up points when you have players to distract defenses for you. It's difficult to do numbers when the defense can consistently load up on you. Curry doesn't even get doubled for the full game, like Kobe, 'Melo and Jordan (to name a few) because when Klay, Draymond, Iggy, and Barnes start hitting their wide open 3's from those double-teams, all that doubling stops. Kobe also doesn't need to play a depleted Pelicans team, a depleted Cavs team, and Dallas. Popovich never beat Kobe in a 7 game series. The Triangle gives Popovich so many fits that he copied the offense.:laff:Curry won't beat Popovich in a legit series where Popovich isn't throwing the series like he did against the Clippers last season and like he did against the Heat in 2013. Curry won't beat Popovich in a legit series where the refs aren't helping him.

I'm not convinced the Warriors will be able to beat any contender this season, considering all they're doing this year is outscoring teams. Unlike last season, they're playing no defense whatsoever. They gave up 105 to the mighty Sixers, 121 to Washington, and 108 last night (barely getting enough stops to win in their own building). They're 18th in ppg allowed. They won't have the same ppg in the post-season that they're having in the regular season. They didn't last post-season. In the post season, a team doesn't have 82 games coming at them to keep them from concentrating on how to defend you and a depleted Cavs team held them 10 points under their average.

Curry's defense doesn't exist. Someone said Kobe is an overrated defender, even if that were true, he'd still be better on defense than Curry, which is the issue at hand, not how Kobe's defense stacks up against other players not named Curry. People saying Curry "doesn't play a lot of 4th quarters". That's a lie. He's still averaging 34 mpg, which is full minutes and only 4 less mpg than his career high in mpg. He was "fresh" for the Finals last season, but still managed to get punked by Delly.

As for iggy's defense giving him MVP: what defense? Lj averaged nearly a triple double. If making him shoot 39% matters, what about Iggy shooting an elite fg% while curry's fg% was trash?
Curry's handle is trash (just like Kobe's). Curry turns the ball over and ton. He does this 3.4 times per game:



He wasn't even "getting fancy" with the ball, like the commentator tried to claim. The "fanciest" thing he did was dribble through his legs. He just lost it from dribbling. And with a big on him too. And a big who can't defend, at that. :wow:

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It's interesting how we don't hear from those who say Kobe is a better shooter. That propaganda. :wow:

One of the worst posts I've read on this forum and thats saying a lot. Why are you grouping Melo in with MJ and Kobe for anyway? Whats wrong with you? :what:
 

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One of the worst posts I've read on this forum and thats saying a lot. Why are you grouping Melo in with MJ and Kobe for anyway? Whats wrong with you? :what:
You read that garbage? Two years ago she was trying to argue that LeBron and KD aren't as good as Kobe and Carmelo and she's only gotten worse from there. If we're going off quality of posting and ignoring spammers on here she might be the worst of all time :lolbron:
 

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12 all nba defensive teams says otherwise. You dudes really think you can just type shyt and make it true. Sorry..too much evidence to suggest otherwise.

'To put it bluntly, Kobe's defense is highly overrated. According to DRPM, he hasn't had a large positive impact on defense in a single one of the past 15 seasons. He actually has been among the league's poorest defensive wings for five years 'running."

ESPN concludes that Tim Duncan's career is superior to Kobe Bryant's
 

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One of the worst posts I've read on this forum and thats saying a lot. Why are you grouping Melo in with MJ and Kobe for anyway? Whats wrong with you? :what:

I'm not brainwashed by anti-'Melo propaganda. At least 'Melo can do everything offensively that Kobe and Jordan could do (midrange game, post up game, turnaround right shoulder, turnaround left shoulder, etc) and even things those 2 couldn't do (shoot 3's):



:francis:

So, comparing 'Melo to Kobe and Jordan makes sense. What doesn't make sense is comparing a 1-trick pony, who shoots poorly when you step within 4 feet of him, to Kobe and Jordan.:deadmanny:

It's funny that you took issue with me bringing up 'Melo, but not Lillard and Kyrie. :patrice:Kobe's facial expression in the video should be a smiley.
 
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I'm not brainwashed by anti-'Melo propaganda. At least 'Melo can do everything offensively that Kobe and Jordan could do (midrange game, post up game, turnaround right shoulder, turnaround left shoulder, etc) and even things those 2 could do — shoot 3's:



:francis: So, comparing 'Melo to Kobe and Jordan makes sense. What doesn't make sense is comparing a 1-trick pony, who shoots poorly when you step within 4 feet of him, to Kobe and Jordan. :deadmanny:

Jesus Christ will you SHUT THE fukk UP ABOUT CARMELO?!?! He's led a team to 3 total playoff series wins in a 13 year career
 
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