Roc Marciano's 'Marcberg' Changed Rap music

[spliz]

I'm not sure but it's the oldest one I know of.

shyt u even had shyt like this on OBFCL2. No one ever said Roc was the first one to do Drumless.

 

[Zero]

I wanna add this one too



I mean the drums are there but they're subdued

 

[spliz]

So was dooms



Yes reloaded. Not marcberg. But by reloaded it was already a thing people picked back up on.

Roc getting hot made it a thing for people to follow, but sonically he didnt create shyt and it didnt start on marcberg. All the artists he calls influences so what he does.

And sean price deservers some props for this because roc will tell you he helped him jump off himself.

As far as “getting fly” i mean whatever. Thats what rae and ghost ALWAYS did. This is standard nyc 101 shyt theres a dozen + rappers with same subject matter and beat style who didnt pop and P was def an everyman rapper but he just handed off to him what others handed to p. Jusy cause others caught on cuz of roc dont mean guys havent BEEN rapping like this and he started some movement.

He just became the face of it for his time with it. And again to ignore jay elect exhibit c was actually popular on a diff level than this shyt is ignoring what people was doing att.

Matcberg didnt change anything. The purist shyt started years before that. When ka and roc first restablished themselves in 2007/8 it was going on. Iron works is 2008 self release self produced 2 years before roc. Everything yall saying is standard ug rappers shyt. Guys been making money off limited vinyl runs since doom. They just had to do it themselves now with no more labels above them. Making it some big idea when its literally how independent artists work is just… ok.

Reloaded made the wave popular, sure. His popularity jumped ro a diff level there. But saying it changed hip hop is a lil much. And alchemist was influenced by a lot of people, id expect that of his most constant collaborator.

Ur just being contrarian. Roc ushered in the wave. This is something if Sean Price was alive would say as well. I mean u had cats like MF Doom and shyt before Roc so obviously cats was doing shyt before him. But u have a clear misunderstanding of what he gets props for. When u have legendary producers and rappers on the scene literally all saying the same shyt. Maybe u need to listen.

 

[Zero]

Time to dust this album off again

 

[Piff Perkins]

Underground hiphop was in such a bad way before UN/Roc.

Maladjusted cacs spitting battle raps from 2001 to 2007

nikkas was listening to Atmosphere storytelling raps about Midwestern girls stripping to pay their little brother's muscular dystrophy bills and go to college before Roc.

 

[spliz]

nikkas was listening to Atmosphere storytelling raps about Midwestern girls stripping to pay their little brother's muscular dystrophy bills and go to college before Roc.

This cat @Bugzbunny129 is clearly misunderstanding the concept of why Roc gets the props he’s getting and in turn making the wrong arguments for why he shouldn’t be getting them.

 

[Whips-n-Chains]

I'm not sure but it's the oldest one I know of.

I've seen people try to count Verbal Intercourse, but there's clearly percussion in that (carlos bess kit)



Another early example with zero percussion

 

[spliz]

I wanna add this one too



I mean the drums are there but they're subdued

 

[O.Red]

Roc made the underground fly and not dusty. U don’t even comprehend why he gets the props he does. Even Alchemist as a producer gives Roc his credit ESPECIALLY with Reloaded.

This is a very important distinction

 

[O.Red]

And Curren$y belongs in this discussion but I can already see it's some hatin ass nikkas in here

 

[spliz]

And Curren$y belongs in this discussion but I can already see it's some hatin ass nikkas in here

Curren$y absolutely belongs in the discussion. Roc and Spitta are the most important underground artists of the 2010s and I don’t think it’s a debate imo.

 

[Whips-n-Chains]

Damn, so unless we can find earlier examples, the GOAT RZA was the first with drumless/subdued percussion?

 

[987654321]

Underground hiphop was in such a bad way before UN/Roc.

Maladjusted cacs spitting battle raps from 2001 to 2007

Over the emptiest, damp triscuit, motel clock radio beats the world has ever seen lol

 

[987654321]

And Curren$y belongs in this discussion but I can already see it's some hatin ass nikkas in here

I agree he belongs. He, K.R.I.T, and more than a few others from all over were giving us a polished “major label” sound from a more dynamic underground. Matter of fact they were putting out shyt that sounded even better than the half-assed, canned bullshyt shyt the majors were putting out. And we were getting it for next to free. That whole period was an amazing time.

 

[Whips-n-Chains]

I agree he belongs. He, K.R.I.T, and more than a few others from all over were giving us a polished “major label” sound from a more dynamic underground. Matter of fact they were putting out shyt that sounded even better than the half-assed, canned bullshyt shyt the majors were putting out. And we were getting it for next to free. That whole period was an amazing time.

Subject matter too

They were trapping about protons and neutrons and centrifugal force and pythagorean theorems and shyt