Big Mel
@bigboss
If you need evidence to support Rae's concerns regarding wack Rza production simply play the Rza produced songs in keynote speaker and that horrible song at the end of Iron Fists sdtrk with boy jones & wiz Khadijah
Rolling Stone Q&A: Raekwon 'On Strike' From Wu-Tang, Blasts RZA for 'Mediocre' Music
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Piff Perkins
Veteran
The funny thing is that Rae stay buying wack soul sample beats and FILA probably won't even come out this year.
But it's true RZA is done as a producer. His heart isn't in it, his focus is elsewhere, and he just isn't a good live musician. He'll never admit it but I don't get the impression he's talented enough to make dope live music, and too arrogant to just work with someone who could help bring his visions to life (Adrian Younge, El Michaels Affair, etc).
If RZA can't do it right, go elsewhere. But I guarantee even if they got Alchemist or Kanye, Rae would still be complaining. Dude lost money on CL2, you can tell he's not in a good place. Dude always sounding desperate, b. Nobody is going to give the Wu a big check, this is 2014. They could put out a classic album and it might not even sell 150k in a year. Let's be real.
But it's true RZA is done as a producer. His heart isn't in it, his focus is elsewhere, and he just isn't a good live musician. He'll never admit it but I don't get the impression he's talented enough to make dope live music, and too arrogant to just work with someone who could help bring his visions to life (Adrian Younge, El Michaels Affair, etc).
If RZA can't do it right, go elsewhere. But I guarantee even if they got Alchemist or Kanye, Rae would still be complaining. Dude lost money on CL2, you can tell he's not in a good place. Dude always sounding desperate, b. Nobody is going to give the Wu a big check, this is 2014. They could put out a classic album and it might not even sell 150k in a year. Let's be real.
ZEB WALTON
ayo! - BEZ
ugh... see im undecided. RZA has his moments ALWAYS, but he always drops some shyt on top of those moments that is just aight. dude need sto stop playing everything live and sample again. his new sound is hollow and im the biggest rza mark on earf.
then again, raes shyt has NEVER been great unless he fukked with rza. his shyt since cuban 2 has been OK, he sthe hottest in the wu but he barely makes wu music. idk anymore.
the sad shyt is the album that we all really want is gonna cost 5 million dollars. fukk atta here
then again, raes shyt has NEVER been great unless he fukked with rza. his shyt since cuban 2 has been OK, he sthe hottest in the wu but he barely makes wu music. idk anymore.
the sad shyt is the album that we all really want is gonna cost 5 million dollars. fukk atta here
ZEB WALTON
ayo! - BEZ
btw heres whats wromg with wu tang
rza thinks hes mozart with pianos and gtr, when he was beethoven with the samples
ghostface hasnt dropped anything really good in awhile. making them poor mans dblock mixtape didnt help
meth always comes great but he has nothing to say
deck ran out of science rhymes and has been stale since 99
rae thinks hes bigger than he is and copies everything in the industry yet talks how wu shoudl be groundbreaking this and that
odb is dead
gza is a science teacher now
ugod is actually the only wu member whos been dope lately
cappadonna doesnt know the difference between wack and dope, hence why we get a good vers eoutta him now and again
and masta killa... idk. dude never brought anything to the table that made wu tang wutang anyway...
doe sthe w need a flattop... if this album sounds like keep watch i will do the honors myself...
rza thinks hes mozart with pianos and gtr, when he was beethoven with the samples
ghostface hasnt dropped anything really good in awhile. making them poor mans dblock mixtape didnt help
meth always comes great but he has nothing to say
deck ran out of science rhymes and has been stale since 99
rae thinks hes bigger than he is and copies everything in the industry yet talks how wu shoudl be groundbreaking this and that
odb is dead
gza is a science teacher now
ugod is actually the only wu member whos been dope lately
cappadonna doesnt know the difference between wack and dope, hence why we get a good vers eoutta him now and again
and masta killa... idk. dude never brought anything to the table that made wu tang wutang anyway...
doe sthe w need a flattop... if this album sounds like keep watch i will do the honors myself...
Kanye does that all the time. Gets Mike Dean and others to interpolate the sample.
DoomzdayzV
Banned
Im with Rae....there is no fukkin Wu Tang without the Chef.....Rza's beats are secondary to the fact that the whole Wu aesthetic was based around Rae's slang, style of dress, and the moves him and Power were making in the street. He was also the most vocal member in interviews since day one...which means the other 8 basically surrendered the groups whole public image to Rae.
DoomzdayzV
Banned
^ im thinkin back to the scene in the Wu documentary from 2006 where Rae is talking to Dave Mays and his whole staff like hes their father...mad at them cause he didnt like the article they did and the pictures they took. call me crazy but it was always obvious to me that they respected Rae as a leader.
Son, they respected Rae cause he is a peer and a real street dude but he was far from their leader and stylistic inspiration. That was RZA. Everything from the Wu's sound, 5% ideology and kung fu imagery was all RZA. The slang they all shared was Staten Island specific not something Rae originated (maybe some...like "pollying", was Rae but definitely not most). Cappa was probably as big a influence on Wu's style as Rae. Probably more. And in terms of street sh!t, RZA and his family, was just as deep rooted in the streets as Rae.
kermit da hustla
Banned
Man, Raekwon's post Cuban liinx albums have been average with the exception of shaolin vs wutang.
I love Latina women
Veteran
i hear what raekwon is sayin' and all but come on now, it's the last album. brothers done been through it all and at the very last minute brothers can't get their business together for the sake of the group and put out one last album? we talkin' 20 years here!
the keep watch single is a good single. is it ground breakin'? no. but it's not like it ain't done in the vein of wu.
as for rza's production... did people really hate 8 diagrams that much? i'll admit the production was a step in a different direction for the group but it ain't 1993 no more! i love 36 chambers, it's one of my top 5 favorite hip hop albums of all time but no matter how much brothers wanna go back, you can't. those days are long gone and ain't comin' back. time moves on and goes forward. it's about elevatin', growin' and updatin' with the times but still stayin' close to the roots of it all.
the way i see it it's like this.... ain't no wu-tang album without all of them but at the same time, rza is the sound of the wu; he's the beat of the drum. those brothers need to resolve their issues and move forward with this album. this the last album album!!!!!!
the keep watch single is a good single. is it ground breakin'? no. but it's not like it ain't done in the vein of wu.
as for rza's production... did people really hate 8 diagrams that much? i'll admit the production was a step in a different direction for the group but it ain't 1993 no more! i love 36 chambers, it's one of my top 5 favorite hip hop albums of all time but no matter how much brothers wanna go back, you can't. those days are long gone and ain't comin' back. time moves on and goes forward. it's about elevatin', growin' and updatin' with the times but still stayin' close to the roots of it all.
the way i see it it's like this.... ain't no wu-tang album without all of them but at the same time, rza is the sound of the wu; he's the beat of the drum. those brothers need to resolve their issues and move forward with this album. this the last album album!!!!!!
NZA
LOL
it hurt me to read it but it's true.
I really enjoy the production on 8 diagrams for the most part....