[RUMOR]Sony bringing ps2 classics to ps4?

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At this point you got PC emu's that do ps2 emulation decently enough :yeshrug:

Some game I wouldn't mind playin on the PS4 tho.. like Baroque, Rule of Rose, etc
 

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It has to do with the fact that I HIGHLY doubt Sony would allow physical disc backwards compatibility on the ps4. It conflicts with their major investment in PSNow. All that gaikai blah blah blah amount to almost nothing given that psnow isnt priced realistically. Props to them if they do both. But I think business wise it would only make sense to cut their losses, shut down psnow completely, and just let everyone flat out buy the old games digitally. Let's not forget how people got screwed out of their digital content too. Some people had huge digital libraries on the ps3 and now cant play them because Sony wants to force psnow on everyone.
I'll add that even though Sony is winning right now, if they want to stay ahead they need to address backwards compatibility properly. MS continues to add features while Sony is banking mainly on a lower starting price point. Which has worked for them, but puts them at risk of being caught up too, and possibly, even though not likely, be overtaken.

How is psnow stopping BC? there aren't any ps1/2 games on psnow. and its HIGHLY debatable if the ps4 is even strong enough to emulate the cell processor.

PSNOW is not being aimed directly at the hardcore, why would they shut it down? They are leveraging there library to become a CASUAL streaming service that will make there other hardware segments more attractive. IE Tvs and phones. This is why it will not be shut down, and this is why its not a direct deterrent to PS3 BC.

The main reason for no PS3 BC would be the Ps3 itself. That's to say, if there was no PSNOW, we'd probably be in the same predicament as we are now. B/C it doesn't change the fact that the ps4 might not be capable of even emulating the PS3 hardware.



This article pretty much sums up how I feel.

The PS4 Might Never Have True Backwards Compatibility: Here's Why and What Sony Could Do






Microsoft Announced backwards compatibility for the Xbox One at its E3 press conference, and preview members are Already enjoying it with a number of Xbox 360 of games.

That caused quite a stir in the gaming community, and of course quite a few voices expressed the desire for Sony to do the same on the PS4. That's really nothing new, the demand has always been there, and Microsoft move just amplified it.

It's easy to thinkthat Sony is holding back on the feature Just Because it could negatively Influence the demand for the PlayStation Now, or simply Because they have other priorities, but while I do not have any insider knowledge is Sony's plans, I do not think the reason has anything to do with that.

It's also easy to thinkthat more powerful hardware can easily Emulate less powerful hardware, but it's not so simple.

The Xbox 360 was built on a PowerPC architecture, Which is quite different from the x86-64 architecture of the Xbox One, but the difference is not so great That it completely prevents emulation.

On the other hand, the PS3 was built on an extremely hi-tech state-of-the-art architecture based on the Cell processor and has its SPU (Synergistic Processing Unit). That required games to be Specifically optimized to run on That Kind of hardware.

That's the reason why there has always been a large gap between first-party and third party games for the PS3. Almost only first-party developers had the resources and the know-how to Develop games fully optimized for the console's peculiar architecture, while most third parties had to settle for a 'compromise'.

The problem Is that the Cell and its SPU are so unique and peculiar That they most probably make emulation impossible, at Least on current generation consoles. It's normally possible to "brute force" emulation by using hardware That is massively more powerful than the target. The problem Is that current generation consoles, Including the PS4, do not exactly have a massively powerful CPU.


The 8-core AMD x86-64 CPU Jaguar built into Sony's new console is not a powerhouse by any stretch of the imagination, and it most probably does not have the juice required to get even close to emulating the Cell at a reasonable performance .

That's the main reason why the PS4 probably will not ever have a full-fledged native emulation. In order to Emulate PS3 games is PS4, each studio would probably have to redesign large areas of the code to make its games run on the x86-64 architecture. That's not a very viable way to spend resources and development time.

This means That Sony now Finds itself at a competitive disadvantage (we do not have enough elements to judge how big, just yet) is the backwards emulation factor.

How can Sony overcome the Obstacle? PlayStation Now offers a range of Games That Could Be Considered a partial equivalent to backwards compatibility. The problem is Evident as the bright sun: if you want to play a game on the PS3 PS4, you have to pay for it, no matter if you Already own it.

That does not make the slightest sense from the perspective of a consumer, Especially considering the PlayStation Now 's pricing, Which is not exactly what I'd consider cheap.

In order to close the backwards compatibility gap, at a least partly, Sony could finally allow Those who own a PlayStation 3 games to play them on PlayStation 4 and PS Vita and other compatible devices like the Samsung TVs (a little but Relevant additional bonus) for free via PlayStation Now.

If you have a digital copy, it's pretty simple: your account could detect it, and enable streaming Automatically. If you have a disk, you'd need to keep it in the PS4's drive in order to play your PlayStation Now copy.


I can easily Imagine That many feel That Sony would never be willing to give up part of its PlayStation Now revenue for this purpose, but we probably shouldnt think about who is the PlayStation Now 's main target audience.

I seriously doubt That Sony sees the service as targeted Primarily to Those That Already own a PS3 games. That's Because Those gamers most probably played Already the titles they own. The Possibility That they would be willing to pay a rather steep rental price to play an old game they Already experienced is not exactly massive. A PS3 owner might use the PlayStation now for games they never owned, but in this case the problem simply does not exist.

Now is the PlayStation Primarily targeted to Those That Never bought a PS3, and have no intention to buy one. As such, They also do not have a Relevant PS3 game collection. That kind of target would be left mostly untouched by offering a virtual backwards compatibility service via streaming.

In order to make up for the missed revenue (Which I do not think would be very relevant, anyway), they could even lock the feature behind the PlayStation Plus. It would add a further perk (and a big one) to Their premium service, and Improve its penetration among the PS4 users.

Will they do it? or even explore the Possibility? Your guess here is as good as mine. I can see them taking "wait and see" stance until the holidays, to gauge what kind of impact the Xbox One's backwards compatibility willhave is sales.

If it makes a big impact, then we might see Sony scramble for a solution, and using the PlayStation Now might be the ideal chance. If it does not, then it'll probably be business as usual.

Of course I might be entirely wrong, and the talented engineers at Sony might manage to pull a miracle, Implementing hardware backwards compatibility on the console, But I seriously doubt that's very Likely.

Quite obviously, your mileage may vary there are Whether backwards compatibility is even Necessary, but that's another story for another time.

The PS4 Might Never Have True Backwards Compatibility: Here’s Why and What Sony Could Do | DualShockers
 

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Eh,ill disagree. Backwards capability is definiitely cool and welcome but it ultimately means little to nothing in console sales.

The ps3 sold better once BC was removed. Wii U has BC,it aint helping.


Not adding BC will not mean much of anything. Its not going to hurt them at all. Realistically its a cool feature but the majority of people are not buying ps4/xbox one to play old games.


Psnow isnt going to be shut down anytime soon
That's a bad example, of course Sony sold more units once the PS3 was no longer $500/600 dollars. As long as the costs are kept down, BC will definitely help move more units
 

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That's a bad example, of course Sony sold more units once the PS3 was no longer $500/600 dollars. As long as the costs are kept down, BC will definitely help move more units
One of the reasons it was that price was BC so its not a bad example.

If people were willing to buy a whole new system because it has BC as youre claiming then surely paying an extra hundred for BC at the time wouldnt have been a deterrent.


Nobody bought a wii u because it can play wii games,nobody bought a wii because it playes gamecube games,nobody bought a ps3 because it could play ps2 games and nobody is buying an xbox one because it can play 360 games.


Its a cool feature and Id love to see all systems have it but its not moving units.
 

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That would be a great move. I say pull the plug on psnow and give us backwards compatibility, and or, just give us the ability to flat out buy old gen classics through the psn.

PS Now is a longterm investment. A hardwareless future is inevitable or at least a viable option soon.

The problem now is pricing, but the publishers controlling that more than anything.
 

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It has to do with the fact that I HIGHLY doubt Sony would allow physical disc backwards compatibility on the ps4. It conflicts with their major investment in PSNow. All that gaikai blah blah blah amount to almost nothing given that psnow isnt priced realistically. Props to them if they do both. But I think business wise it would only make sense to cut their losses, shut down psnow completely, and just let everyone flat out buy the old games digitally. Let's not forget how people got screwed out of their digital content too. Some people had huge digital libraries on the ps3 and now cant play them because Sony wants to force psnow on everyone.
I'll add that even though Sony is winning right now, if they want to stay ahead they need to address backwards compatibility properly. MS continues to add features while Sony is banking mainly on a lower starting price point. Which has worked for them, but puts them at risk of being caught up too, and possibly, even though not likely, be overtaken.
Hold up. My ps3 psn games (ps1 and ps2 classics) no longer work? I havent tried to play them simce buying my ps4 in oct 2014. Please tell me this isnt true.
Eh,ill disagree. Backwards capability is definiitely cool and welcome but it ultimately means little to nothing in console sales.

The ps3 sold better once BC was removed. Wii U has BC,it aint helping.


Not adding BC will not mean much of anything. Its not going to hurt them at all. Realistically its a cool feature but the majority of people are not buying ps4/xbox one to play old games.


Psnow isnt going to be shut down anytime soon
Thats not true. I would bet most people bought wii u bc they knew they could still play their wii games. shyt i bought my wii i bc i never owned a wii outright, and i wanted to play those old wii classics.
One of the reasons it was that price was BC so its not a bad example.

If people were willing to buy a whole new system because it has BC as youre claiming then surely paying an extra hundred for BC at the time wouldnt have been a deterrent.


Nobody bought a wii u because it can play wii games,nobody bought a wii because it playes gamecube games,nobody bought a ps3 because it could play ps2 games and nobody is buying an xbox one because it can play 360 games.


Its a cool feature and Id love to see all systems have it but its not moving units.
Breh where are you getting your information? Are you just basing tour generalizations of your own perceptions? Because that is exactly why i bought a ps2, wii u and ps3--bc they were backwards compatible.
 

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Hold up. My ps3 psn games (ps1 and ps2 classics) no longer work? I havent tried to play them simce buying my ps4 in oct 2014. Please tell me this isnt true.

Thats not true. I would bet most people bought wii u bc they knew they could still play their wii games. shyt i bought my wii i bc i never owned a wii outright, and i wanted to play those old wii classics.
Breh where are you getting your information? Are you just basing tour generalizations of your own perceptions? Because that is exactly why i bought a ps2, wii u and ps3--bc they were backwards compatible.
Where are you getting your information from? Wii sold a 100 million and was a huge success and that had 0 to do with playing gamecube games. Wii u is nintendos worst selling console in history.

Nobody bought a wii u to play wii games because everybody already bought a wii. People bought a wii u because nintendo has a steady fan base who will pay for their new system to play their new games.

You might be among the 5 gamers who didnt own a wii but owned a wii u.

I mean no offense but arent you the poster that got his first hdtv THIS year?

Youre anamoly when it comes to gaming.
 
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Where are you getting your information from? Wii sold a 100 million and was a huge success and that had 0 to do with playing gamecube games. Wii u is nintendos worst selling console in history.

Nobody bought a wii u to play wii games because everybody already bought a wii. People bought a wii u because nintendo has a steady fan base who will pay for their new system to play their new games.

You might be among the 5 gamers who didnt own a wii but owned a wii u.

I mean no offense but arent you the poster that got his first hdtv THIS year?

Youre anamoly when it comes to gaming.
No? I got my first hd tv last yr :win: Either way i bought those systems bc they were backward compatible and i bet many other people did as well
 
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