Runaway slave ads for light skinned or white passing black people deconstruct cac hypocrisy

[ReturnOfJudah]

They existed but they were mainly poor...




their (the mulattos) fathers = the white community. This was how the mixed types/creoles in the Deep South attained their original wealth. The problem with that argument is that those situations as they took place in the Deep South were in the minority because most mulattos in that region were STILL slaves and poor, rather that free and wealthy




You implied that Rashida would have recieved some type of wealth, better treatment, and education via her being light skinned/biracial during the times of slavery when that simply isn't true for reasons I already touched on










that book was mainly about the post-slavery era/following reconstruction era of "black elites"

The book starts off with how they get to this point into post slavery.

https://escholarship.org/content/qt1hv4k2bc/qt1hv4k2bc_noSplash_c0499e15d8ededa40ee46cae98adee47.pdf

Children born to slave masters and enslaved women could receive benefits like education, career opportunities, or freedom, though this varied depending on the father's treatment
These children were often born into slavery themselves under the legal doctrine partus sequitur ventrem, but some fathers provided for them or granted them manumission. Historical examples include the Grimké brothers and the children of Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings.

• Education and career opportunities: Some slave masters provided educational or career opportunities for their children with enslaved women.
• • Manumission (freedom): Some fathers freed their children who were born into slavery.
  • Legal status: The children of slave owners and enslaved women were often born into slavery under the legal doctrine partus sequitur ventrem, which stated that a child's status followed that of their mother.
  • Examples: Historical figures like Archibald and Francis Grimké, and the children of Thomas Jefferson by Sally Hemings, are examples of children who received some level of benefit from their father

This is literally how the Boule or Black Greek Frats were made. The are the offsprings of slave masters propped up into leadership roles in black communities. They then turn around and work hand and in hand with their cac forefathers. Thats why the black Boule prospers while the black community is stagnant.

 

[Gloxina]

Koreans are an OLD WORLD GROUP; Aframs are a NEW WORLD CREOLIZED ethnicity: YOU CAN'T COMPARE THE TWO SITUATIONS!!

The point still stands.


If someone is 1/4 Asian or 1/4 Native American, 1/4 African (any nation or ethnicity) and 3/4 European, NO ONE is claiming them outright. Especially if they present as European.

 

[Gloxina]

I get what you’re saying. The black experience/societys perception > lineage generally.

Not that it’s greater than lineage. Not saying that.

It’s just that you came out White. You can still acknowledge your parents and your lineage. It’s just that technically, if you were walking around the world and no one had any knowledge of your background, if you present as White…the world sees and treats you as a White person.

Somebody with white skin and straight hair ain’t Black. They have enough admixture for them to come out like that, you have to acknowledge their actually lineage; all of it.

White folks didn’t want to do that because of racism. Even then they used terms like mulatto or quadroon to acknowledge someone’s ancestry. They would stop someone from “passing” if they could track their background, but even then they acknowledged and tracked their European ancestry because those folks looked a certain way.

 

[StackorStarve]

Not that it’s greater than lineage. Not saying that.

It’s just that you came out White. You can still acknowledge your parents and your lineage. It’s just that technically, if you were walking around the world and no one had any knowledge of your background, if you present as White…the world sees and treats you as a White person.

Somebody with white skin and straight hair ain’t Black. They have enough admixture for them to come out like that, you have to acknowledge their actually lineage; all of it.

White folks didn’t want to do that because of racism. Even then they used terms like mulatto or quadroon to acknowledge someone’s ancestry. They would stop someone from “passing” if they could track their background, but even then they acknowledged and tracked their European ancestry because those folks looked a certain way.

I don’t get what you’re saying. Someone can be white passing with a black father and you’re saying they’re not black because they came out looking white but also saying lineage matters and perception isn’t greater than lineage.

 

[Goat poster]

Black passing for White is White..you all love saying how in America youre the race you look like, so those people were White.

Tell that to thier slave masters.

Just cause you see it that way, don't mean that's what it was at the time.

You wild for calling someone that was enslaved for having black blood "white"

Whatever freedom you have in this day and age is more in line with a "White passing" life than they EVER got to experience.

So who's the cac?

 

[IllmaticDelta]

The book starts off with how they get to this point into post slavery.

https://escholarship.org/content/qt1hv4k2bc/qt1hv4k2bc_noSplash_c0499e15d8ededa40ee46cae98adee47.pdf

that's just a description of how these free peope of color lines were birthed from being either born free or born into bondage...a more complete picture would be

37% of mulattos in the Upper South were "Free" which means that 63% of them were still slaves whose mixed race ancestry gained them no real benefits over their purer kin

This is literally how the Boule or Black Greek Frats were made. The are the offsprings of slave masters propped up into leadership roles in black communities.

Many of those types definitely came from free people of color lines BUT this didn't mean that they inherited wealth from their white side. As I already explained, that was more of a thing in the Deep South (where it was still in the minority) than it was in the Upper South or the North. Take this man for example

Richard Theodore Greener (1844–1922) was a pioneering African-American scholar, excelling in elocution, philosophy, law and classics in the Reconstruction era. In 1870, he became the first black undergraduate at Harvard University to receive a bachelor's degree.[1][2] The previous year, Harvard Law School, Harvard Medical School, and the Harvard School of Dental Medicine awarded degrees to their first black graduates in 1869.[3]



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As you'll see when you read below; he got it out the mud, ended up being one of those "Black Elite" types or "Boules" that you speak of, but he actually came from a poor Upper South "mixed" free people of color family and never had any help or inheritances from his white ancestors

this part right here, was the reality of most mulattos with white fathers back in the days of slavery

They then turn around and work hand and in hand with their cac forefathers. Thats why the black Boule prospers while the black community is stagnant.

this is a mischaracterization/exaggeration of what actully happened/happens

 

[IllmaticDelta]

The point still stands.


If someone is 1/4 Asian or 1/4 Native American, 1/4 African (any nation or ethnicity) and 3/4 European, NO ONE is claiming them outright. Especially if they present as European.

What you mean? People that belong to heterogeneous ethnic groups claim heterogeneous people that they share racial, ethnic or national roots with, all of the time.

 

[ReturnOfJudah]

that's just a description of how these free peope of color lines were birthed from being either born free or born into bondage...a more complete picture would be

37% of mulattos in the Upper South were "Free" which means that 63% of them were still slaves whose mixed race ancestry gained them no real benefits over their purer kin








Many of those types definitely came from free people of color lines BUT this didn't mean that they inherited wealth from their white side. As I already explained, that was more of a thing in the Deep South (where it was still in the minority) than it was in the Upper South or the North. Take this man for example

Richard Theodore Greener (1844–1922) was a pioneering African-American scholar, excelling in elocution, philosophy, law and classics in the Reconstruction era. In 1870, he became the first black undergraduate at Harvard University to receive a bachelor's degree.[1][2] The previous year, Harvard Law School, Harvard Medical School, and the Harvard School of Dental Medicine awarded degrees to their first black graduates in 1869.[3]



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As you'll see when you read below; he got it out the mud, ended up being one of those "Black Elite" types or "Boules" that you speak of, but he actually came from a poor Upper South "mixed" free people of color family and never had any help or inheritances from his white ancestors

this part right here, was the reality of most mulattos with white fathers back in the days of slavery

this is an mischaracterization/exaggeration of what actully happened/happens

Not every mullato is the child of a slave master. So of course 63 percent of mullatos were slaves. And you do know the difference between house slaves and field slaves.

 

[Tair]

Tell that to thier slave masters.

Just cause you see it that way, don't mean that's what it was at the time.

You wild for calling someone that was enslaved for having black blood "white"

Whatever freedom you have in this day and age is more in line with a "White passing" life than they EVER got to experience.

So who's the cac?

The poster you quoted isn't from the USA nor has ancestry dating back to slavery on this soil. He is native to Africa so his perspective will be entirely different from someone whose lineage in the USA extends back to the Antebellum South.

Most ADOS/FBA (sans Gullah Geechee - correct me if I am wrong) likely has a (great)grandparent/parent that is white passing.

 

[ReturnOfJudah]

Most ADOS/FBA (sans Gullah Geechee - correct me if I am wrong) likely has a (great)grandparent/parent that is white passing.

I don't know where you get that shyt from

 

[Tair]

I don't know where you get that shyt from

Scientific studies on ADOS, my own family history, my friends families, some of the members on this site, etc...

 

[ReturnOfJudah]

Scientific studies on ADOS, my own family history, my friends families, some of the members on this site, etc...

Lets see those scientific studies

 

[Tair]

Lets see those scientific studies

Genome-wide ancestry estimates of African Americans show average proportions of 73.2% African, 24.0% European, and 0.8% Native American ancestry (Table 1).

The Genetic Ancestry of African Americans, Latinos, and European Americans across the United States - PMC

Over the past 500 years, North America has been the site of ongoing mixing of Native Americans, European settlers, and Africans (brought largely by the trans-Atlantic slave trade), shaping the early history of what became the United States. We ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[ReturnOfJudah]

The Genetic Ancestry of African Americans, Latinos, and European Americans across the United States - PMC

Over the past 500 years, North America has been the site of ongoing mixing of Native Americans, European settlers, and Africans (brought largely by the trans-Atlantic slave trade), shaping the early history of what became the United States. We ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I mean the part that says most african americans have a grand parent or great grand parent that's passing for white

 

[MajesticLion]

You are not them, and more importantly, they are not you.