Interesting
Rush hour in midtown Manhattan
- Thread starter CashmereThoughts
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Illuminatos
#OVOXO
Looks awesome. 
blockburna420
Consecutive thumbs up
I been getting videos of people pulled over waiting till 9pm to cross bridges and going in tunnels on my yt feed
Same thing am wondering
newworldafro
DeeperThanRapBiggerThanHH
The difference though is that major stretch served by public rail and buses?
newworldafro
DeeperThanRapBiggerThanHH
I figured it would be less traffic, but this is like apocalyptic less traffic....damn.
So then are the subways and rail packed, that's the other side of this I want to see??
UPDATE: Found my answer
Maybe car traffic will gradually increase to normal levels, but if the idea was to generate funding for infrastructure then if less people are driving on tolls and roads are they making any money to fund the tolls? I guess the shiit will have to play out for a year.
UPDATE 2: Found an example in London to my 2nd question
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Heafcliffe
Hope there's puddin' in the clink...
Unless oversight on my behalf, what exactly is going on here? Why the empty streets?
ORDER_66
I am The Wrench in all your plans....
ORDER_66
I am The Wrench in all your plans....
No one wants to pay to go into lower manhattan..
they rather let those businesses starve or just take the train into the city..
Buses. It was probably the biggest stretch in the city.
You have to pay a bunch of money now
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@typesfaster
Mind-blowing how effective congestion pricing is. Lower Manhattan streets remain completely empty. It's an important lesson to remember: how price-conscious the typical consumer is - a daily $9 fee changed the entire landscape of NYC. Lower Manhattan is going to really boom now with all the honking and congestion cleared out.
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@typesfaster
This street was never empty pre Jan 5
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@typesfaster
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@imjaredz
What is going to boom about Lower Manhattan now that all the people are gone? Congestion may be effective, but not in the way you want.
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@typesfaster
More people will want to live here, more restaurants + businesses will open, more new buildings will be built. NYC is the most walkable place in the country but the experience was brutal because of the cars, traffic, honking, air pollution, etc.
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@typesfaster
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@Girlaboutsmthng
I’m curious if traffic is worse uptown now
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@typesfaster
I haven't been able to figure that out.
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@kevinakwok
Now let’s do it for parking
10/62
@typesfaster
Parking lots or parking spots?
11/62
@SeedOilScout
We might need to come back to see this for ourselves
12/62
@typesfaster
I'll let you know if it holds up when it's not 30 degrees
13/62
@SimplyDionysus
Central London still crowded with congestion pricing.
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@typesfaster
Traffic in London doesn't seem as bad as NYC to me.
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@DislikeClicker
I’m sorry is this a joke? Isn’t it just 9 bucks???
16/62
@typesfaster
$22-40 to come through the tunnel depending on whether you have a car/small truck/big truck, and whether you have EZ pass setup.
$9 to enter the city via bridges and other routes, or just to drive into the congestion zone.
Shocked me also.
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@DevDemi1
No it’s not effective if you’ve just denied access to most ppl. That’s actually a failure.
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@typesfaster
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@AndrewG29922648
For NYC I am shock that $9 made that much difference. Many Houston commutes are at least that BOTH ways daily on toll rds and it makes almost 0 difference.
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@typesfaster
tbf it's now $22-$40 to come through the Holland Tunnel depending on your car situation.
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@mrsmolescroft
Is this not affecting businesses in a negative way?
22/62
@typesfaster
Too early to tell. Definitely can't be good for the parking lot businesses lol.
Subway, railroad, busses have way more people on them now.
I bet people not wanting to spend $9 to drive aren't big spenders at downtown businesses tho.
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@mecee
How long will you allow yourself before you change your central planning perspective should the data suggest your hypothesis here is wrong?
24/62
@typesfaster
Do any cities that implemented congestion pricing regret it?
25/62
@Rondo2
The Law of Unintended Consequences is going to hit people like you like a sledgehammer.
26/62
@typesfaster
How has congestion affected Stockholm/London/Singapore?
27/62
@rohanvisme
The noise pollution was crazy in NYC, so one part of me is excited to visit this version of the city -- but something looks very off about these empty streets in NYC.
I hope they're tracking the effect this has on local businesses, because I suspect there will be effects they didn't predict.
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@2sunsky
Ya, it’s incredible downtown. A noticeable improvement.
Bravo! @GovKathyHochul
THANK YOU!
Also, don’t tell anyone but I’ve driven 5 times within the zone (short distances) & haven’t been charged. I think if you cut in on two-way E/W streets you get tagged… in between, (only downtown) not as much.
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@thechrisbuskirk
Wow. Does this exceed expectations? And what’s their workaround I wonder
30/62
@_TomHoward
Something doesnt add up. No way does 1x $9 fee scare off this many drivers. Thats how much a NYC coffee is.
31/62
@SportstechSuraj
Hopefully nyc will start appropriating a larger chunk of their budget to renovate subway infrastructure
32/62
@JohnForrester
They did the same thing in Tokyo and man is it quiet.
33/62
@alexandretakacs
I'd say too soon to tell.
Give it 6-12 months to pass judgment
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@MCKid79662742
Why haven’t Lyft and Uber fares decreased noticeably, even though traffic has significantly improved since the rollout of congestion pricing?
How is it that a 30-minute ride within the city can still cost as much as a round-trip flight between major regional airports in the U.S.?
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@alexpotato
Even commuting out of NYC has changed:
The helix coming out of NYC was the emptiest I’ve ever seen it at 6pm on a Monday.
It almost looked like the lockdown days.
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@highyielddrama
The lesson is that when you give away something for free, the resource allocation is inefficient and creates too much demand for the supply — in this case, traffic congestion. Now those who value the area most (as measured by their willingness to pay) will be the ones using it, not literal free riders.
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@AdamBomb1776
The fact there’s no pedestrian traffic to be seen kinda proves your theory wrong genius… for a “walkable city” no one seem to be walking around which means those businesses will crater.
Ever wonder why they’re not talking about how “lower Manhattan is booming” as you said it would be… because it can’t if there’s no traffic.
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@DiggingInTheDi1
I'd wager the lost foot traffic to businesses, and subsequent tax revenue thereof possibly offsets any gains made by this.
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@DeanDude33
How about we wait for the cell phone usage data like they used to run for cities during Covid restrictions. That will tell us how many people are active in the city rather than looking at photos of roads
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@CarlBranco
I'm looking forward to NJ implementing the same on drivers entering NJ from NY.
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@Coach_Crash
With no one but New Yorkers there to buy stuff with what money? NYC is about to find out just how self-sustaining a huge metropolis is, which is not.
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@keith_dorschner
Did the people take public transport and rub elbows with criminals?
Most likely they just stayed home and if they are at home, they aren’t spending money at Manhattan parking decks and restaurants and stores.
If this continues, the fee will be reduced further.
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@typesfaster
Varick in this spot has always been one of the most highly trafficked streets in the entire city.
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@NaithanJones
“Effective” in what way? The tradeoff is that the economy of lower Manhattan was just destroyed
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@CircaDiem
“Price-conscious” is just a nice way of saying income inequality is expanding at an astronomical rate.
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@software25939
Yeah really gonna boom now that no one is there. Liberal logic.
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@Helen4NY
Or DEAD.
Reigning in crimes and family-orientated safety on subways, parks, and streets will be the REAL motivators for New York City.
I am running for City Council D1 against crime and drug lord Christopher Marte this year! Please help me reach $5000 matching fund threshold by March 15th! You will be the first donation! Contribute
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@horizontalescal
Economists will tell you, "free" is a very special price that severely distorts the market. Going from 0 to even like 50 cents would have made a bigger difference than you'd think
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@Opportunitweet
This has to be a joke.
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@toconnor66
Tell that to the retail and F&B with zero foot traffic. Enjoy your microwaved dinner
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@longevitypalace
I actually landed in New York yesterday and was wondering why it was so empty. I thought it was because at the beginning of the year and no one was traveling after the holidays.
52/62
@chooserich
It's not congestion pricing...
It's 20 degrees out and we all went to Miami. Hi from Miami!
53/62
@QuietOurStreets
What a shame for the vulnerable and NON able-bodied!
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@typesfaster
Disabled don't have to pay the congestion tax.
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@basketballerre1
It’s awful. Basically the rich get to drive while the people already struggling can’t. Classic pay for play. Gross
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@typesfaster
Agree they should charge people who make more twice as much or something.
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@SubmarinerFarm
Lol, effective at pushing people onto mass transit, where they can be pushed onto the tracks, or just set on fire.
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@typesfaster
They have to combine congestion pricing with cleaning up the subway and jailing criminals.
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@CeresXVII
For anybody wondering, this street is the Jersey-bound entrance to the Holland tunnel. Picture likely taken from 565 Broome
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@PaineCommonSens
Great! Imagine all the small retail businesses that will suffer!
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@SmileyGnome
Just canceled our trip to NYC this spring. Going to check out Boston instead.
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@rjmacarthy
Just goes to show how much value people place on convenience.
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@typesfaster
Mind-blowing how effective congestion pricing is. Lower Manhattan streets remain completely empty. It's an important lesson to remember: how price-conscious the typical consumer is - a daily $9 fee changed the entire landscape of NYC. Lower Manhattan is going to really boom now with all the honking and congestion cleared out.
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@typesfaster
This street was never empty pre Jan 5
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@typesfaster
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@imjaredz
What is going to boom about Lower Manhattan now that all the people are gone? Congestion may be effective, but not in the way you want.
5/62
@typesfaster
More people will want to live here, more restaurants + businesses will open, more new buildings will be built. NYC is the most walkable place in the country but the experience was brutal because of the cars, traffic, honking, air pollution, etc.
6/62
@typesfaster
7/62
@Girlaboutsmthng
I’m curious if traffic is worse uptown now
8/62
@typesfaster
I haven't been able to figure that out.
9/62
@kevinakwok
Now let’s do it for parking
10/62
@typesfaster
Parking lots or parking spots?
11/62
@SeedOilScout
We might need to come back to see this for ourselves
12/62
@typesfaster
I'll let you know if it holds up when it's not 30 degrees
13/62
@SimplyDionysus
Central London still crowded with congestion pricing.
14/62
@typesfaster
Traffic in London doesn't seem as bad as NYC to me.
15/62
@DislikeClicker
I’m sorry is this a joke? Isn’t it just 9 bucks???
16/62
@typesfaster
$22-40 to come through the tunnel depending on whether you have a car/small truck/big truck, and whether you have EZ pass setup.
$9 to enter the city via bridges and other routes, or just to drive into the congestion zone.
Shocked me also.
17/62
@DevDemi1
No it’s not effective if you’ve just denied access to most ppl. That’s actually a failure.
18/62
@typesfaster
19/62
@AndrewG29922648
For NYC I am shock that $9 made that much difference. Many Houston commutes are at least that BOTH ways daily on toll rds and it makes almost 0 difference.
20/62
@typesfaster
tbf it's now $22-$40 to come through the Holland Tunnel depending on your car situation.
21/62
@mrsmolescroft
Is this not affecting businesses in a negative way?
22/62
@typesfaster
Too early to tell. Definitely can't be good for the parking lot businesses lol.
Subway, railroad, busses have way more people on them now.
I bet people not wanting to spend $9 to drive aren't big spenders at downtown businesses tho.
23/62
@mecee
How long will you allow yourself before you change your central planning perspective should the data suggest your hypothesis here is wrong?
24/62
@typesfaster
Do any cities that implemented congestion pricing regret it?
25/62
@Rondo2
The Law of Unintended Consequences is going to hit people like you like a sledgehammer.
26/62
@typesfaster
How has congestion affected Stockholm/London/Singapore?
27/62
@rohanvisme
The noise pollution was crazy in NYC, so one part of me is excited to visit this version of the city -- but something looks very off about these empty streets in NYC.
I hope they're tracking the effect this has on local businesses, because I suspect there will be effects they didn't predict.
28/62
@2sunsky
Ya, it’s incredible downtown. A noticeable improvement.
Bravo! @GovKathyHochul
THANK YOU!
Also, don’t tell anyone but I’ve driven 5 times within the zone (short distances) & haven’t been charged. I think if you cut in on two-way E/W streets you get tagged… in between, (only downtown) not as much.
29/62
@thechrisbuskirk
Wow. Does this exceed expectations? And what’s their workaround I wonder
30/62
@_TomHoward
Something doesnt add up. No way does 1x $9 fee scare off this many drivers. Thats how much a NYC coffee is.
31/62
@SportstechSuraj
Hopefully nyc will start appropriating a larger chunk of their budget to renovate subway infrastructure
32/62
@JohnForrester
They did the same thing in Tokyo and man is it quiet.
33/62
@alexandretakacs
I'd say too soon to tell.
Give it 6-12 months to pass judgment
34/62
@MCKid79662742
Why haven’t Lyft and Uber fares decreased noticeably, even though traffic has significantly improved since the rollout of congestion pricing?
How is it that a 30-minute ride within the city can still cost as much as a round-trip flight between major regional airports in the U.S.?
35/62
@alexpotato
Even commuting out of NYC has changed:
The helix coming out of NYC was the emptiest I’ve ever seen it at 6pm on a Monday.
It almost looked like the lockdown days.
36/62
@highyielddrama
The lesson is that when you give away something for free, the resource allocation is inefficient and creates too much demand for the supply — in this case, traffic congestion. Now those who value the area most (as measured by their willingness to pay) will be the ones using it, not literal free riders.
37/62
@AdamBomb1776
The fact there’s no pedestrian traffic to be seen kinda proves your theory wrong genius… for a “walkable city” no one seem to be walking around which means those businesses will crater.
Ever wonder why they’re not talking about how “lower Manhattan is booming” as you said it would be… because it can’t if there’s no traffic.
38/62
@DiggingInTheDi1
I'd wager the lost foot traffic to businesses, and subsequent tax revenue thereof possibly offsets any gains made by this.
39/62
@DeanDude33
How about we wait for the cell phone usage data like they used to run for cities during Covid restrictions. That will tell us how many people are active in the city rather than looking at photos of roads
40/62
@CarlBranco
I'm looking forward to NJ implementing the same on drivers entering NJ from NY.
41/62
@Coach_Crash
With no one but New Yorkers there to buy stuff with what money? NYC is about to find out just how self-sustaining a huge metropolis is, which is not.
42/62
@keith_dorschner
Did the people take public transport and rub elbows with criminals?
Most likely they just stayed home and if they are at home, they aren’t spending money at Manhattan parking decks and restaurants and stores.
If this continues, the fee will be reduced further.
43/62
@typesfaster
Varick in this spot has always been one of the most highly trafficked streets in the entire city.
44/62
@NaithanJones
“Effective” in what way? The tradeoff is that the economy of lower Manhattan was just destroyed
45/62
@CircaDiem
“Price-conscious” is just a nice way of saying income inequality is expanding at an astronomical rate.
46/62
@software25939
Yeah really gonna boom now that no one is there. Liberal logic.
47/62
@Helen4NY
Or DEAD.
Reigning in crimes and family-orientated safety on subways, parks, and streets will be the REAL motivators for New York City.
I am running for City Council D1 against crime and drug lord Christopher Marte this year! Please help me reach $5000 matching fund threshold by March 15th! You will be the first donation! Contribute
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@horizontalescal
Economists will tell you, "free" is a very special price that severely distorts the market. Going from 0 to even like 50 cents would have made a bigger difference than you'd think
49/62
@Opportunitweet
This has to be a joke.
50/62
@toconnor66
Tell that to the retail and F&B with zero foot traffic. Enjoy your microwaved dinner
51/62
@longevitypalace
I actually landed in New York yesterday and was wondering why it was so empty. I thought it was because at the beginning of the year and no one was traveling after the holidays.
52/62
@chooserich
It's not congestion pricing...
It's 20 degrees out and we all went to Miami. Hi from Miami!
53/62
@QuietOurStreets
What a shame for the vulnerable and NON able-bodied!
54/62
@typesfaster
Disabled don't have to pay the congestion tax.
55/62
@basketballerre1
It’s awful. Basically the rich get to drive while the people already struggling can’t. Classic pay for play. Gross
56/62
@typesfaster
Agree they should charge people who make more twice as much or something.
57/62
@SubmarinerFarm
Lol, effective at pushing people onto mass transit, where they can be pushed onto the tracks, or just set on fire.
58/62
@typesfaster
They have to combine congestion pricing with cleaning up the subway and jailing criminals.
59/62
@CeresXVII
For anybody wondering, this street is the Jersey-bound entrance to the Holland tunnel. Picture likely taken from 565 Broome
60/62
@PaineCommonSens
Great! Imagine all the small retail businesses that will suffer!
61/62
@SmileyGnome
Just canceled our trip to NYC this spring. Going to check out Boston instead.
62/62
@rjmacarthy
Just goes to show how much value people place on convenience.
To post tweets in this format, more info here: https://www.thecoli.com/threads/tips-and-tricks-for-posting-the-coli-megathread.984734/post-52211196
