Ryan clark says russell wilson is not a all time great qb
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Uhhhh yeah. You know how MVP arguments work, so don't sit here and pretend otherwise.
So what? He was saying the basis of a great QB is winning a Super Bowl, and Rodgers has only been to one.
Rodgers is more than likely staying in GB this offseason, they're pivoting to someone else to drum up discussion.
THE MACHINE
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I don't think much needs to be changed, he is a great QB coming off of a bad season
Always is a stretch, and yes, he had a bad year for sure. This year he wasnt really good.
Agreed, and he's a proven winner and leader of men right?
duckbutta
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How is this even a discussion? He spent almost half his career being babied by LOB and Marshawn. The defense won that superbowl. As soon as they put it on Russ shoulders to get a super bowl win what happened? He hasn't been back since either.
Graduated from a game manager to a top tier modern qb. But all time great? Nah.
Graduated from a game manager to a top tier modern qb. But all time great? Nah.
PortCityProphet
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Won an MVP
Superbowl MVP
You know what a defining moment or lack thereof means, so don't sit here and pretend otherwise
Cam will be always remembered for not going for that fumble in the Superbowl. You can spin it however you want, but it's not going to change that. Just like people bring up the Seahawks not letting Marshawn run it in for that TD and letting Russ pass instead.
People don't forget those type of moments.
Is that the first thing someone brings up when they mention Cam and his career? No.
Is it one of the things that eventually gets mentioned yes.
Thats why I say we have different definitions.
And MVPs are stupid and biased so intelligent people don't put too much weight into that.
the list of QBs that have made the Super Bowl multiple times is probably not very long and Id imagine many of them weren't even elite QBs but just had great teams around them
I dont know if its the best way to determine greatness
You say that yet nikkas use MVPs as the basis of their arguments on this site on a daily basis
That's a top 3 moment in his career based sorely on the stage of where it happened. You're bugging if you sit here and say otherwise. It'd be one thing if he had another Superbowl after that to mask it, but he shyt the bed the one time that he was there. Of course people will remember that.
The bolded is key. I’m not the one arguing that Super Bowl rings are the determining factor of greatness. That was Ryan Clark
PortCityProphet
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You say that yet nikkas use MVPs as the basis of their arguments on this site on a daily basis
That's a top 3 moment in his career based sorely on the stage of where it happened. You're bugging if you sit here and say otherwise. It'd be one thing if he had another Superbowl after that to mask it, but he shyt the bed the one time that he was there. Of course people will remember that.
Did I say folks won't remember it? No.
I said it wasn't THE defining moment of his career.
Like I said we got 2 definitions of defining moment.
filial_piety
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He's not an ATG but he is a 1st ballot HOFer when it's all said and done...impo ATG is top 10
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I'd add Steve Young to that list as well
You could make the argument that it was based on when and where it happened. That Superbowl win could and would have completely changed the narrative about his legacy and the narrative that QBs can't win Superbowls.
People don't remember shyt about Seattle's and the LOB Superbowl win, but they sure as hell remember what happened in not letting Marshawn run it in for the TD and what happened after. It was a defining moment that completely fukked up the team chemistry and they were never the same again.