Ryan Clark vs Peter Schrager

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He’s a repeat offender


he says or does something then checks the temperature outside and if it’s too hot he doubles back and apologizes while passive aggressively blaming everyone else for their normal reaction

I don’t know what lane he’s trying to occupy he can’t even rely on wit or charisma which SAS has as much I can’t stand him sometimes

I’m also curious if this erratic behavior is CTE related not even joking here
It‘s starting to become too much of a recurring theme that it’s becoming an valid question

Even that apology comes off as weird as there was no reason to mention the off the air interaction unless you’re worried about it being leaked to the press and only created more issues for himself.
 

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Good.

Never watch these shows, not too familiar with Ryan Clark outside of a few half-watched interviews.

But...

All these "tech" guys commenting on "tech" who have never seriously worked in "tech."

All these "sports" guys yelling back-and-forth about athletes and leagues, who have never even played division I.

All these "finance" guys yelling about the economy or the street, having these strong opinions about something they know nothing about.

Get these yelling fugazis out of my face, get the experts back on.
 

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Now come the hit pieces.




I don’t know shyt but I wonder if Ryan is overexposing and overworking himself. He does NFL Live multiple days a week, Monday Night Countdown, SportsCenter with SVP after Monday Night Football, Get Up in the early mornings throughout the week, Inside the NFL on Tuesdays, The Pivot whenever they record, watching tons of CFB/NFL and whatever else he has outside of that professionally and personally.

I get that you want to grind, garner the success and be THE GUY…but doing it for multiple years in a row is a lot.
 
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I enjoy former and current athletes in media, I do think it creates a nice balance and gives their peers a comfortable place to talk and answer questions but once you go to "you've never played the game" it just becomes annoying. Yes, there are certain perspectives you can give and add context to something a normal fan wouldn't know/see but 80% of these guys get on these shows and become hot take artists and i dont learn anything new from them. Its obvious at this point, you dont need "to play that sport professionally" to break it down as people like Mina Kimes, Zach Lowe and countless other analysts/journalists break down their sports as well if not better for the average fan than the former athletes just wanting to reiterate how nobody really knows what an athlete goes through :beli:
The Mina's and Zach Lowe's get respect as well because they openly admit there are certain things they won't know as they never played the game. Ryan Clark, Orvolosky, and Marcus Spears all talk about them being on text threads with Mina and she'll ask their perspective on things as athletes because she'll never have that understanding. They don't get on here like Schrager and try and tell former pros how they would react and get all sensitive when told he wouldn't fully understand that. Instead of getting all sensitive he should listen to the perspective of the athlete and show them respect as former pros.

As an analyst you can talk the Xs and Os but you have no clue the mental makeup of a lot of athletes or the locker room dynamics so that's the time to shut up, listen and learn and show respect to their perspective.
 

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That Pivot money got Ryan not really giving a fukk about his ESPN job and just doing and saying whatever :mjlol:

I think Ryan just geinuely doesn't like any of the people he works with at ESPN except for Spears, Mina, and that white chick who host nfl live. His interactions with them be way way different and he typically agrees with 90% of what they say.

I saw a segment once where Spears and Mina disagreed on something and he stepped in like "guys your both right".:pachaha:
 

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Nahhhh if you look at that original tweet, Awful announcing posted right under it an article posting the full context of discussion like they do for all of their stories.

RC is just going to have to stop taking discussions into a personal direction and then apologizing right after.
I’m sorry but this sounds soft. I didn’t think any of that in real time. If anything, they made him apologize so as to not cut this guy’s credibility off before anyone knew who he was and probably because he was sensitive.
 

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I’m sorry but this sounds soft. I didn’t think any of that in real time. If anything, they made him apologize so as to not cut this guy’s credibility off before anyone knew who he was and probably because he was sensitive.
In that case, why even mention the off the air altercation when no one even knew that it actually even happened?
 

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Yeah that's one sore spot that ex-pros gotta avoid: "you ain't play in the league" isn't an argument. You resort to that when you're losing a debate.

Belichick, Walsh etc., didn't play in the league either but they still knew ball. If you have a ton of knowledge as a former player.....just use that knowledge as drop facts
Well, I agree and disagree. So generally speaking, an appeal to authority is a logical fallacy i.e. this reputable person said it so it must be true. But what’s not wrong is establishing that someone is an authority and then pointing out the skill set and methodology and mind set that you get from that and what creates that and then applying it to a situation. Most athletes are actually trying to lean on the latter but aren’t as well-spoken. Those that rely on the former are mostly doing so because the audience is dumb and doesn’t care for the intricacy of the latter. People like to feel they are smart without doing any of the work. Bellicheck is an authority because he studied the game at its highest level and gained experience - he’s a coach. That is entirely different from being a talking head that isn’t remotely that well-versed. People take it to heart because they like to believe they know more about sports than they actually do because they watch it like a sitcom and understand plot points but wouldn’t know a thing about how to actually produce the show or put together a script.

In this instance Clark is speaking to something that he as an athlete is an authority on and is applying his specific experiences to demonstrate the mentality of an athlete in that situation. All three athletes on the panel were in agreement. The dude was trying to talk about stats and they were like winning is ultimately the goal and if you lose - particular if you lose on your hands - you will not leave feeling like you had a good game. So when Clark said it’s the non-athlete in you - he was really saying that he understands the mentality of highly competitive football players which Ceedee is and there’s no way he would feel like he had a good game. And his reaction in real time supports that. The only thing he could’ve added was “sure if Ceedee was strictly about being laid and me-first and non-competitive but he fits into the competitive athlete tier and this is how those sorts of athletes react to those situations…”. It’s only in the United States where the fans have this hubris that they know the game as well as athletes - go watch a soccer broadcast and it’s entirely deference to the athletes and coaches.
 

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Apologize for WHAT? It’s a damn debate show. They say what’s needed to get their points across, that’s what the show ASKS FOR. Using the ,”you never played the game”, card is subjective, and it’s definitely needed AT TIMES, and this was one of those times. Sometime these non-players need to fall back and get things from a PLAYER’S perspective, something they don’t KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT. The SAME WAY the players fall back when it comes to the reporting/journalism culture they don’t know about.

ESPN making Ryan apologize is a :ufdup: for hurting a white Jew’s feelings on live TV.

If Ryan had the same interaction with a Black non-player panelist, it’d be a non-story, and definitely no apology. Let’s call of what it is.
 

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Apologize for WHAT? It’s a damn debate show. They say what’s needed to get their points across, that’s what the show ASKS FOR. Using the ,”you never played the game”, card is subjective, and its definitely needed AT TIMES, and this was one of those times. Sometime these non-players need to fall back and get things from a PLAYER’S perspective, something they don’t KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT.

ESPN making Ryan apologize is a :ufdup: for hurting a white Jew’s feelings on live TV.

If Ryan had the same interaction with a Black non-player panelist, it’d be a non-story, and definitely no apology. Let’s call of what it is.
The fact that the interaction carried off air is more than likely why he's apologizing.
 

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Exactly. Why apologize PUBLICLY for something that happened PRIVATELY? We, the masses, didn’t see/hear what happened off air. Further proving my point.
Ask Ryan Clark that question as no one would have known that the were a 2nd altercation if he didn't say anything about it.

I highly doubt that ESPN wanted that detail made public considering they had no issues posting the first on social media for content. He did that on his own.
 
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