Ryan Coogler & Michael B. Jordan vampire film "Sinners"

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As far as the last one goes, that's a matter of perspective.

I know more identical twins who are more alike than different, even at older ages. But I also know identical twins that are very different.

Coogler talked about the identical twins he consulted through this process in his interviews, and specifically in the breakfast club interview he said he had referenced family members who were twins and friends who were twins. He had MBJ talking to identical twins about the psychology of it and helping him with the characterization.

I don't think there's one way to make everyone happy in that regard.
MBJ sid a great job by not making the twin thing too trite.… doing the whole “I'm the crazzzzy twin” thing to try to force differentiation is corny and lazy...they had enough differences where you knew they weren't the same but they were extremely close so obviously there's going to be some personality overlap
 

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MBJ sid a great job by not making the twin thing too trite.… doing the whole “I'm the crazzzzy twin” thing to try to force differentiation is corny and lazy...they had enough differences where you knew they weren't the same but they were extremely close so obviously there's going to be some personality overlap
Yeah they were both troublemakers
 

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Delroy Lindo had the cinema in stitches:russ:

Best Michael B Jordan performance for me:salute:

The entire cast killed it:ehh:

I have some critiques on first watch but I need a second watch:jbhmm:

Coogler using the mythology of the blues to create a horror story is brilliant but once you watch it you wonder how nobody had made that connection before as a film. It's a brilliant piece of writing and mythology. I remember when Michael B Jordan said that there are not enough black myths and fairy tales, almost like Coogler was responding to that; delta blues, capitalism, slavery........so much going on
 

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Delroy Lindo had the cinema in stitches:russ:

Best Michael B Jordan performance for me:salute:

The entire cast killed it:ehh:

I have some critiques on first watch but I need a second watch:jbhmm:

Coogler using the mythology of the blues to create a horror story is brilliant but once you watch it you wonder how nobody had made that connection before as a film. It's a brilliant piece of writing and mythology. I remember when Michael B Jordan said that there are not enough black myths and fairy tales, almost like Coogler was responding to that; delta blues, capitalism, slavery........so much going on
Hopefully now future gens will be inspired to do more of these type of genres with black casts.
 

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Not going to lie the only redeeming quality of this were that the actors... They really understood the fact that this movie was going to be under a microscope from the studios and critics and they brought it.….plus the setting was done tastefully.… just about everything else...pure mid

The whole the whites are biting our culture metaphor just felt so.… undercooked…to the point that its just not that interesting as a plot device here with the way its implemented

The scoring selections were just weird and out of place at times…goes from cheap horror jump scare stabs to full on motley crue guitar rifts during the action ..just completely inconsistent as far as tone tenor and cohesion is concerned

Did I mention this shyt is part musical... :mjlol: Like just let that marinate for a minute

Ultimately my original fears of seeing the announcement of this movie came true.… the ridiculouness of a “Jim Crow era Vampire plot” was just too much for Coogler to out maneuver… I really had hoped they did something interesting or clever that they were just holding back from showing in the trailers as those looked derivative and bland from jump .… but they literally did exactly that in the movie.…derivative and bland


They were riverdancing.…. :dead:
 

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Not going to lie the only redeeming quality of this were that the actors... They really understood the fact that this movie was going to be under a microscope from the studios and critics and they brought it.….plus the setting was done tastefully.… just about everything else...pure mid

The whole the whites are biting our culture metaphor just felt so.… undercooked…to the point that its just not that interesting as a plot device here with the way its implemented

The scoring selections were just weird and out of place at times…goes from cheap horror jump scare stabs to full on motley crue guitar rifts during the action ..just completely inconsistent as far as tone tenor and cohesion is concerned

Did I mention this shyt is part musical... :mjlol: Like just let that marinate for a minute

Ultimately my original fears of seeing the announcement of this movie came true.… the ridiculouness of a “Jim Crow era Vampire plot” was just too much for Coogler to out maneuver… I really had hoped they did something interesting or clever that they were just holding back from showing in the trailers as those looked derivative and bland from jump .… but they literally did exactly that in the movie.…derivative and bland


They were riverdancing.…. :dead:

this is a new IP. a new IP in a melange of a genre in an era that we see so little about.

this is the sort of cinema that pushes boundaries and will be remembered when 99% of the films made this year are no longer discussed.

this is what cinema should be doing. not the stale regurgitated paint-by-numbers stuff that constitutes most of 2025 hollywood. CGI battles wear thin after a while.

i criticized coogler for some technical issues in BP. here he shows he is clearly developing his art AND he clearly benefits from full(-er) IP control.

good films are rarely perfect. auteur films can suffer from the proclivities of the artist. we allow these from kubrick, lee, scorsese, tarantino, spielberg and even nolan. why not coogler? kubrick long silences. scorsese/tarantino gore and excess. spielberg too much sugar. nolan lack of kineticism. lee artistic adjuncts. these guys can all play it staright (clockwork, inside man, spartacus, schindler, jackie brown, etc) but seldom do. the assumption with the true artists is that we have to understand them as much as they have to entertain us. when you hear coogler talk it is clear that he has a broad mind and has lots of cultural interest to say.

the last films that don't have the issues were in the what? fight club, se7en period?

the irish folk stuff is important to them. the irish played a big role in slavery, plantation life and as gringo-outsiders in the new world so their cultural inclusion makes sense and introduces narrative layers.

coogler has built an entertaining and intriguing world from scratch and it will be a commercial success.

that has to be applauded.
 
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this is a new IP. a new IP in a melange of a genre in an era that we see so little about.

this is the sort of cinema that pushes boundaries and will be remembered when 99% of the films made this year are no longer discussed.

this is what cinema should be doing. not the stale regurgitated paint-by-numbers stuff that constitutes most of 2025 hollywood. CGI battles wear thin after a while.

i criticized coogler for some technical issues in BP. here he shows he is clearly developing his art AND he clearly benefits from full(-er) IP control.

good films are rarely perfect. auteur films can suffer from the proclivities of the artist. we allow these from kubrick, lee, scorsese, tarantino, spielberg and even nolan. why not coogler. kubrick long silences. scorsese/tarantino gore and excess. spielberg too much sugar. nolan lack of kineticism. lee artistic adjuncts. these guys can all play it staright (clockwork, inside man, spartacus, schindler, jackie brown) but seldom do.

he has built an entertaining and intriguing world from scratch and it will be a commercial success.

that has to be applauded.
Its a remix of Dusk til Dawn in the Jim Crow south :francis: Nothing boundary pushing about it


But like I said, I went out and supported my Oakland bruh just on the strength….. I hope the nikka breaks every box office record.… but I gotta call a spade a spade on the execution...the shyt is mid :hubie:
 

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Its a remix of Dusk til Dawn in the Jim Crow south :francis: Nothing boundary pushing about it

totally absent in DTD.

cultural and musical spiritual elements.

race issues along with portrayal of north vs. south inter-war with empowered black figures. they were about to pull guns on kkkreh some 30 years before a potier slap shocked america.

vampire philosophy.

brehdom elements - lead roles, audience proxies, normativeness.

native indisns (should have been more)

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also: religious substrate
these things matter when it is your culture that is routinely skipped.:mjpls: .

But like I said, I went out and supported my Oakland bruh just on the strength….. I hope the nikka breaks every box office record.… but I gotta call a spade a spade on the execution...the shyt is mid :hubie:

nah.

watch is again in 10 years time.
 
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