RZA gave Pun a better beat than he gave Biggie.

[Bugzbunny129]

People trying too hard to deny rza made this beat in here. Anyone who makes beats will hear his techniques RIGHT AWAY.

The Snare drum pitch changes throughout song is a rza trademark. I showed you other beats that match it that are rza made. Show me these beats that could be someone elses. Not saying it couldnt happen but rza has a very recognizable style and hundreds of beats versus these guys’ 10 placements period. None of their beats have those snares changes.


Never mind the NORD LEAD 2 keyboard. All rzas early post flood beats have keyboard strings that fill the simple loop out. Rza has other beats using that same exact string sound.

Who mixes/masters the beat afterwards is what makes them sound “different” than usual. LKG dont have the full rza sound either. Idk why i have to even explain that on here but ok.

Now i dont think its insane that maybe joe brought one of the samples collected for album and had rza hook it up. 100% possibility. thats what ANRs do…. They help pick samples for projects… literally their JOB in helping get the record finished….


But… “Rza stole BEATS” is a hell of a thing to say without even showing what beats. THIS BEAT, 100% was touched by rza. this is 100% not a pure IA beat because their isnt a single song they have that features the snare variations. Rza has PLENTY 1 loop beats like this in his catalog with these variations. They dont.


So now rae worked with IA because they had rza sound and rza was “stealin they beats” anyway… yet rae hated the synth sound rza created IN REAL TIME shyttin on bobby dogital in 98-99 regulary in press…. And now 25 years later says “idk why rza didnt wan work with me on Immobilarity”. Rae is not the most reliable narrarator.


At same time ya saying rae said it, and that you knew IA. Before that tho, it was “general word on the street”. So which is it??? Saying “rae said he was stealing anyway so why not” is awfully specific for info you first shared as general information

All while giving the wrong info at same time.

If this is the beat im willing to bet its because it was a sample they could/wanted to use and brought it to rza and he hooked it up. If they was anr of said album, thats literally their job… but to act like they dont have hands on things at times is or that putting hands on things gives them credit… LMAO.

again something that shouodnt need to be explained. All i know is drums and keyboard are rza. The sample is not IA. Shouod they get credit? Wouodnt be first time a “session player” didnt get writing credit from rza. But its still PRODUCED by rza.

 

[Awesome Wells]

I'm saying what Rae said and 'the word' is false. What are you confused by?

You also portrayed Inf Ark as "down with Wu" when they were Loud execs and in house production first and linked up with Rae through that as they were working with him in building Immobilarity, Black & White and flipping Harlem Hoodz into ACT as Rae & Power's crew and not some bullshyt made up part of Wu that RZA was taking credit for. WTF

Also Tryflin was part of ACT, but the Dewar bros were not.

Just because you heard untruths doesn't mean I got to let you spread them without checking them.

Unless you're RZA himself, I'm confused by how a random poster online would know better than Raekwon the damn Chef, about what was going on internally in Wu.

Not portraying anything. I knew Jug and Traum. They repped Wu hard back then. That was their whole thing. When you saw them, they would speak about starting a Wu-related imprint at Loud. They made beats and would throw them at the acts on the label and to other MC's. Rae said RZA was taking credit for some of their placements. End of story.

So again, unless you're RZA disputing it, saying Rae is lying about some sh*t he said mad times back then, doesn't do anything online today.

 

[I love Latina women]

Same dudes in the camp that decided to back Chef.

They were his A&R's at the label, and had already did beats for Pun and Wu. Rae said RZA was jacking their beats, and taking credit for them. LOL!!

Damn

 

[BuddahMAC]

Unless you're RZA himself, I'm confused by how a random poster online would know better than Raekwon the damn Chef, about what was going on internally in Wu.

Not portraying anything. I knew Jug and Traum. They repped Wu hard back then. That was their whole thing. When you saw them, they would speak about starting a Wu-related imprint at Loud. They made beats and would throw them at the acts on the label and to other MC's. Rae said RZA was taking credit for some of their placements. End of story.

So again, unless you're RZA disputing it, saying Rae is lying about some sh*t he said mad times back then, doesn't do anything online today.

They bigged up working with Wu b/c building with Rae is what really put them on production wise and Live From NY was a big hit and lead single.

The Wu-related imprint that eventually formed on Loud was 36 Records which only released Killarmy's third (which has no RZA production to 'take credit from' and they got properly credited for Nonchalantly & Lady Sings the Blues) and folded before Black Knights or Shyheim could drop.

What the fukk credit is RZA taking from a Rae album he had no involvement in, a Killarmy album he only has exec prod. credit on, unreleased albums and and a soundtrack that they actually left RZA's credit off of?

What beats are you even fever dreaming he's talking about? Especially when you listen to the drums which are the weakest part of the Inf Ark beats and this is the era where RZA was playing with his drums the most.

Just because people say shyt doesn't make it gospel and I don't abide nonsense.

 

[BuddahMAC]

If anyone forgot how Rae's ego skews his memory:

 

[NYSTATEOFMIND]

Tres Leche is cool but Long Kiss

 

[Awesome Wells]

They bigged up working with Wu b/c building with Rae is what really put them on production wise and Live From NY was a big hit and lead single.

The Wu-related imprint that eventually formed on Loud was 36 Records which only released Killarmy's third (which has no RZA production to 'take credit from' and they got properly credited for Nonchalantly & Lady Sings the Blues) and folded before Black Knights or Shyheim could drop.

What the fukk credit is RZA taking from a Rae album he had no involvement in, a Killarmy album he only has exec prod. credit on, unreleased albums and and a soundtrack that they actually left RZA's credit off of?

Just because people say shyt doesn't make it gospel and I don't abide nonsense.

Rae didn't say RZA took credit for beats on his second album.

He said RZA was taking credit from them PERIOD, for other sh*t they did. Which is why he said he might as well just get them for Immobilarity, since RZA would probably give him beats someone else made. It's very clear what dude was saying. If you think it's "nonsense", that's not Chef's business. Or ours on here. This is what he said was going on and how he felt.

Now if you're mad about him saying that, that's fine. But we can't be on here going back and forth over some sh*t dude said about RZA damn near 30 years ago. He said RZA was doing that, and today we're talking about a track on a Pun album that Rae said RZA took credit for, that he didn't do. But was allegedly done by his guys that helped him with his second album and A&R'd it, who magically just happened to have also done beats for Pun on the same album and TS. It is what it is, bro.

 

[BuddahMAC]

Rae didn't say RZA took credit for beats on his second album.

He said RZA was taking credit from them PERIOD, for other sh*t they did. Which is why he said he might as well just get them for Immobilarity, since RZA would probably give him beats someone else made. It's very clear what dude was saying. If you think it's "nonsense", that's not Chef's business. Or ours on here. This is what he said was going on and how he felt.

I'm just going off your reporting.

So, according to you, Rae said RZA was taking credit from Inf Ark for 'other shyt they did and decided to work with them on Immobilarity' What other shyt did they do? They got their position on Loud around 98 and started w/ the Big Pun album. Before that they were trying to be artists themselves as "Pressure" in 97. As the Wu splintered to do their solos post the Forever tour falling apart, I'm asking you logistically and realistically what are they submitting to who that RZA is somehow taking credit for that Rae is even privy to as he's off starting his own thing w/ Power and ACT? Seriously.

We don't deal in hearsay, we deal in actual facts and I'm trying to tell you they weren't imbedded in the Wu camp and submitting beats in 97, they got up with Rae's camp as part of their Loud deal in 98 and worked with Rae & Power on Rae fronting his own crew with ACT in 99.

There is nothing that RZA's even doing with Rae in that time period to have beats overlap the two camps.

You're talking off hand comments you're probably misremembering, I'm talking the realities of time and space.

Now if you're mad about him saying that, that's fine. But we can't be on here going back and forth over some sh*t dude said about RZA damn near 30 years ago. He said RZA was doing that, and today we're talking about a track on a Pun album that Rae said RZA took credit for, that he didn't do. But was allegedly done by his guys that helped him with his second album and A&R'd it, who magically just happened to have also done beats for Pun on the same album and TS. It is what it is, bro.

I ain't mad, I'm telling you it is false and I'm being adamant that it's false to see it doesn't get further spread.

Again, I've corrected two misremembered comments in this thread already by posting that XXL making of Capital Punishment correcting that Deck was late for the session instead of someone thinking Deck said he stumbled upon the session in progress accidently and Fat Joe stating how they paid RZA in cash for the beat when you specifically said he gave it to Pun for free (and you saying that was where the rumor started he didn't make it).

You were wrong there and you're wrong here. Accept it and stop spreading misinformation.

 

[Awesome Wells]

I'm just going off your reporting.

So, according to you, Rae said RZA was taking credit from Inf Ark for 'other shyt they did and decided to work with them on Immobilarity' What other shyt did they do? They got their position on Loud around 98 and started w/ the Big Pun album. Before that they were trying to be artists themselves as "Pressure" in 97. As the Wu splintered to do their solos post the Forever tour falling apart, I'm asking you logistically and realistically what are they submitting to who that RZA is somehow taking credit for that Rae is even privy to as he's off starting his own thing w/ Power and ACT? Seriously.

We don't deal in hearsay, we deal in actual facts and I'm trying to tell you they weren't imbedded in the Wu camp and submitting beats in 97, they got up with Rae's camp as part of their Loud deal in 98 and worked with Rae & Power on Rae fronting his own crew with ACT in 99.

There is nothing that RZA's even doing with Rae in that time period to have beats overlap the two camps.

You're talking off hand comments you're probably misremembering, I'm talking the realities of time and space.



I ain't mad, I'm telling you it is false and I'm being adamant that it's false to see it doesn't get further spread.

Again, I've corrected two misremembered comments in this thread already by posting that XXL making of Capital Punishment correcting that Deck was late for the session instead of someone thinking Deck said he stumbled upon the session in progress accidently and Fat Joe stating how they paid RZA in cash for the beat when you specifically said he gave it to Pun for free (and you saying that was where the rumor started he didn't make it).

You were wrong there and you're wrong here. Accept it and stop spreading misinformation.

That's a lot of writing because Rae said something about his lifelong producer, that you didn't like.

My advice to you would be not to take what people you don’t know say about other people you don’t know, so personally. What Chef said about RZA 25+ years ago, shouldn't be upsetting you this much today. Everything's gonna be aight. They're cool again. You can relax.

 

[BuddahMAC]

That's a lot of writing because Rae said something about his lifelong producer, that you didn't like.

My advice to you would be not to take what people you don’t know say about other people you don’t know, so personally. What Chef said about RZA 25+ years ago, shouldn't be upsetting you this much today. Everything's gonna be aight. They're cool again. You can relax.

Like has nothing to do with it.

Again, if Rae said it, he was incorrect. If you're still saying it, you are incorrect.

I'm trying to help you be right and exact.

 

[Nabs]

The OG is pure Wu

 

[Peak]

Same dudes in the camp that decided to back Chef.

They were his A&R's at the label, and had already did beats for Pun and Wu. Rae said RZA was jacking their beats, and taking credit for them. LOL!!

The beats in that period (for Rae inparticular) were largely trash though. Don't know why RZA would put his name to any of that...

 

[thelonious21]

Wow, it’s the complete opposite for me


LKG has the melody but doesn’t bang in the whip like a RZA beat at that time would’ve

Tres Leches bangs and then those Roc Raida scratches

Them scratches were legendary

 

[ShaDynasty]

Tres Leches doesn't sound like the other Infinite Archatechz beats. Its kind of an outlier for RZA too because he doesn't use a lot of Jazz samples typically. It still sounds like RZA drums and a RZA melody though.

I feel like if anything it could be True Master miscredited.