Sam Seder and Paul Reickhoff debate over the progressive vs moderate democrat split

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Ok then run a competent campaign on your policy set in your district and win. Don't run a shyt campaign and lose and then blame the ghost of Karl Marx.

If people are telling what pushes them away, then you have to adjust.

In fact, I've long said that the size of congressional districts is hurting democrats more than anything. The average House member has 750K constituents. You can't have radicals across the country when that shyt happens outside of big cities an DEEP blue areas.

 

[King Kreole]

You really are bad at this.

No one is telling anyone to resign.

I'm saying that AOC should stop using the word socialism.

Its costing us votes in Florida and many immigrant communities...while they take welfare and other aid.

FRAMING is all that matters

Focus on POLICIES.

The Democrats are really bad at this.

AOC is a Democratic Socialist. It's not up to her to stop accurately describing her own ideology. If the Democratic Leadership is so fearful that she's destroying the party, they should vote to censor or purge her from the party. Simple. Either Steve King her and purge her from the party or allow space for her ideology to exist under the Democratic tent. Put up or shut up. They won't, because they're fukking cowards who don't want to share power with the younger, more leftist wing of the party but are also scared of losing their support. They want to harvest votes from leftists and socialists but don't want to do the bare minimum work of messaging a big tent or sharing power.

"Look, I just want you to focus on policies...but don't say Medicare For All...or Green New Deal...or Defund the Police...just, you know, be a mensch and stop being different than me."

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The Democrats are really bad at this.

AOC is a Democratic Socialist. It's not up to her to stop accurately describing her own ideology. If the Democratic Leadership is so fearful that she's destroying the party, they should vote to censor or purge her from the party. Simple. Either Steve King her and purge her from the party or allow space for her ideology to exist under the Democratic tent. Put up or shut up. They won't, because they're fukking cowards who don't want to share power with the younger, more leftist wing of the party but are also scared of losing their support. They want to harvest votes from leftists and socialists but don't want to do the bare minimum work of messaging a big tent or sharing power.

"Look, I just want you to focus on policies...but don't say Medicare For All...or Green New Deal...or Defund the Police...just, you know, be a mensch and stop being different than me."

It doesn't work that way.

People are literally telling you why they're not voting for you. ...while taking welfare

AOC is costing us the ability to expand the electorate.

Its selfish.

plus, the title is pointless. it means nothing without policy.

 

[King Kreole]

It doesn't work that way.

People are literally telling you why they're not voting for you. ...while taking welfare

AOC is costing us the ability to expand the electorate.

Its selfish.

plus, the title is pointless. it means nothing without policy.

Where are the receipts for Democrats all across the country losing seats because a single rep in the Bronx calls herself a Democratic Socialist? All I see is people wantonly throwing around the same "common sense" from 50 years ago. Paul Reickhoff made the same evidence-free assertion and buckled when Seder pressed him on it. Most of these candidates were facing ads that featured Pelosi and Schumer more than AOC, and attacked them for being Washington insiders and corrupt more than being socialist. Maybe it's Pelosi and Schumer who are costing us the ability to expand the electorate because they're souring the Democratic brand by being do-nothing, insider centrists who refuse to endorse meaningful, bold action at a time when people are suffering. Maybe Nancy and Chuck are being selfish by refusing to take their elderly hands off the wheel and step down to let some fresh blood into the leadership positions and rescue the Democratic brand.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Where are the receipts for Democrats all across the country losing seats because a single rep in the Bronx calls herself a Democratic Socialist? All I see is people wantonly throwing around the same "common sense" from 50 years ago. Paul Reickhoff made the same evidence-free assertion and buckled when Seder pressed him on it. Most of these candidates were facing ads that featured Pelosi and Schumer more than AOC, and attacked them for being Washington insiders and corrupt more than being socialist. Maybe it's Pelosi and Schumer who are costing us the ability to expand the electorate because they're souring the Democratic brand by being do-nothing, insider centrists who refuse to endorse meaningful, bold action at a time when people are suffering. Maybe Nancy and Chuck are being selfish by refusing to take their elderly hands off the wheel and step down to let some fresh blood into the leadership positions and rescue the Democratic brand.

Sanders’s Comments on Fidel Castro Provoke Anger in Florida

 

[Scholar]

Where are the receipts for Democrats all across the country losing seats because a single rep in the Bronx calls herself a Democratic Socialist? All I see is people wantonly throwing around the same "common sense" from 50 years ago. Paul Reickhoff made the same evidence-free assertion and buckled when Seder pressed him on it. Most of these candidates were facing ads that featured Pelosi and Schumer more than AOC, and attacked them for being Washington insiders and corrupt more than being socialist. Maybe it's Pelosi and Schumer who are costing us the ability to expand the electorate because they're souring the Democratic brand by being do-nothing, insider centrists who refuse to endorse meaningful, bold action at a time when people are suffering. Maybe Nancy and Chuck are being selfish by refusing to take their elderly hands off the wheel and step down to let some fresh blood into the leadership positions and rescue the Democratic brand.

Say this again for the idiots in the back

 

[rapbeats]

I've already said Biden was the strongest Presidential candidate, and might have been the only one who could have won this election. My beef is with the downballot centrists dems trying to kneecap Progressives in this Dem Civil War on some "throw a stone and hide your hands" shyt. Ain't no one saying AOC could win the 2020 Presidential election, I doubt she could even win statewide in NY yet.

truth is, i believe AOC could have won the 2020 election. here's why. all those people came out to vote to get rid of trump. thats how biden won. notice almost NO ONE is talking about how much they LOVE biden or his policies. NO ONE. biden didnt win this one. Trump took the L because the people voted him out. only because someone has to take the office does biden get to sit in the chair now.
So the reason AOC could and would've won because all that youth vote that bernie spoke of but could only muster up a little bit during the primaries. would all come out like they did for obama. how often do you get a president thats isnt old as hell? kids like kids. young adults like young adults. its that simple. people are tired of looking at old grey haired white dudes running us in the ground. so even though they like bernie at the end of the day he's old as hell and white.

AOC is a Rican from NY. and proud of it. yeah she sleeps white. which is why she would get that young white college chick vote.
and she would get a ton of young white male votes(especially college age/graduates). then she would run the table on almost all the latin vote except for cuban and maybe Vz.
She would win the black vote old heads because they always vote blue no matter who. and she would get the black Youth vote who rarely comes out unless its an obama type. younger hopeful candidate.

 

[Snoopy Loops]

Didnt watch the whole interview. From what I gathered, Reichkoff central point's is that the movements like Defund the Police, M4A dont resonate with the electorate in non-democrat strongholds, and probably alienate moderates. That is valid point, as almost half the country voted for that baby currently in the white house, who happens to be on the complete end of spectrum. Its fairly evident that electorate isnt sophisticated enough to appreciate "leftist" policies.

What I disagree with, is his characterization of the dynamic between the progressive and centrist factions. He admits that virtually no democrats ran on Defund the Police, but he blames them for being associated with grassroots elements that pushed that slogan (guilty by association much).

Maybe cuz of he's a white dude, but it appears he doesn't appreciate how much of a balancing act it is, to cater to multiple coalitions (blue collar men, feminists, hispanic, black, environmentalist, LGBTQ) in the party, and the fear of an insurgency within the party (refer to ADOS and even justice democrats tbh). The republicans have the benefit in being one Trump coalition.

He puts the onus of turning the other cheek on progressives when centrist are the older and more mature people in the party.

He splits hairs between democratic socialist (AOC, Bernie) and regular democrat, and not to say its not a valid distinction but by and large, democrats and democratic socialists have the same positions on most of the key issues: environment, immigration, willingness to tackle police reform, workers rights.

He forgets the democrat brand is in shambles mostly due to Hilary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi et al., and being relatively feckless in governance

I think anyone can appreciate his pragmatic views on things, but he underestimates the cult of the Trump and republican media machine, that labels anyone with an iota of sympathy for immigrants, LGBT, or minorities as left wing socialists hell bent on destroying the fabric of America.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

truth is, i believe AOC could have won the 2020 election. here's why. all those people came out to vote to get rid of trump. thats how biden won. notice almost NO ONE is talking about how much they LOVE biden or his policies. NO ONE. biden didnt win this one. Trump took the L because the people voted him out. only because someone has to take the office does biden get to sit in the chair now.
So the reason AOC could and would've won because all that youth vote that bernie spoke of but could only muster up a little bit during the primaries. would all come out like they did for obama. how often do you get a president thats isnt old as hell? kids like kids. young adults like young adults. its that simple. people are tired of looking at old grey haired white dudes running us in the ground. so even though they like bernie at the end of the day he's old as hell and white.

AOC is a Rican from NY. and proud of it. yeah she sleeps white. which is why she would get that young white college chick vote.
and she would get a ton of young white male votes(especially college age/graduates). then she would run the table on almost all the latin vote except for cuban and maybe Vz.
She would win the black vote old heads because they always vote blue no matter who. and she would get the black Youth vote who rarely comes out unless its an obama type. younger hopeful candidate.

nope

all these never trumpets would've voted for Trump

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Say this again for the idiots in the back

Sanders’s Comments on Fidel Castro Provoke Anger in Florida

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Didnt watch the whole interview. From what I gathered, Reichkoff central point's is that the movements like Defund the Police, M4A dont resonate with the electorate in non-democrat strongholds, and probably alienate moderates. That is valid point, as almost half the country voted for that baby currently in the white house, who happens to be on the complete end of spectrum. Its fairly evident that electorate isnt sophisticated enough to appreciate "leftist" policies.

What I disagree with, is his characterization of the dynamic between the progressive and centrist factions. He admits that virtually no democrats ran on Defund the Police, but he blames them for being associated with grassroots elements that pushed that slogan (guilty by association much).

Maybe cuz of he's a white dude, but it appears he doesn't appreciate how much of a balancing act it is, to cater to multiple coalitions (blue collar men, feminists, hispanic, black, environmentalist, LGBTQ) in the party, and the fear of an insurgency within the party (refer to ADOS and even justice democrats tbh). The republicans have the benefit in being one Trump coalition.

He puts the onus of turning the other cheek on progressives when centrist are the older and more mature people in the party.

He splits hairs between democratic socialist (AOC, Bernie) and regular democrat, and not to say its not a valid distinction but by and large, democrats and democratic socialists have the same positions on most of the key issues: environment, immigration, willingness to tackle police reform, workers rights.

He forgets the democrat brand is in shambles mostly due to Hilary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi et al., and being relatively feckless in governance

I think anyone can appreciate his pragmatic views on things, but he underestimates the cult of the Trump and republican media machine, that labels anyone with an iota of sympathy for immigrants, LGBT, or minorities as left wing socialists hell bent on destroying the fabric of America.

yeah, guilt by association works...you can't be mad at that.

its the game.

 

[Domingo Halliburton]

OP already has a thread where he posts these losers on youtube and complains about the left. Do we need another one?

 

[DirtyD]

Sanders’s Comments on Fidel Castro Provoke Anger in Florida

Florida GOP lawmakers blast Obama's Castro statement

Look at this dumbass commie, he just doesn't know how to play politics.

 

[FAH1223]

Dems were getting destroyed down ballot since AOC was a senior in college.

 

[Slim]

Is Sam no longer cool with Cliff Schecter? He's a moderate/centrist, judging by his Twitter, and Sam used to chop it up with him weekly.