Sam Seder goes off on Jamie Peck for downplaying impeachment

[Snoopy Loops]

I'm not a political person but I've been watching the impeachment hearing today and when they brought it up last week bc this is historic. I find it scary how many republicans can see how bad Trump fukked up and still ride for him. They're trying to disprove and defend him on tv incriminating himself.

The senator from Georgia is embarrassing himself by repeating "we want due process" and "call witnesses to court" knowing full well Trump told 10 of the witnesses subpoenaed not to cooperate. How can you publicly side with someone you know is wrong just os your side wins? Politics are scary breh

This is some bytch ass shyt...

You come into a political discussion to give your two cents but preface it by saying "I'm not political" and then when shown direct evidence that your "feelings" of the situation is off you revert back to your "its just how I feel"... An uninformed opinion is worthless. If you choose to stay ignorant to politics then by all means shut the fukk up and be ignorant but you can't have it both ways.

the way they descended on breh.

I mean y’all were pretty harsh, but at the same time, Republicans are so unrepentant about their sins that the Democrats seeming ineptitude is forgivable, so I kinda sympathize with the spirit of their disagreement

 

[The G.O.D II]

I honestly don’t get why she or Brooks is still on that show. Seder is a mainstream Howard Dean Democrat while Brooks is an admitted socialist and Peck is a fukking anarchist who jerks off Terry Richardson on her spare time

 

[mitter]

I honestly don’t get why she or Brooks is still on that show. Seder is a mainstream Howard Dean Democrat while Brooks is an admitted socialist and Peck is a fukking anarchist who jerks off Terry Richardson on her spare time

Not true. Seder is far to the left of Dean types.

 

[Oville]

the point jaime made was valid but of minimal importance. only a small number of people are so hardcore that they are disenchanted with impeachment based on pelosi being the face of it.i could understand if sam dismissed her by saying it wasnt important, but the yelling was too much. if you are going to have an actual antifa member on your show, you are going to have to make some space for her perspective. i have been watching for years and sam does have a habit of fighting her harder than any other person there on almost every issue. it's also important to note that he apologized on air once he cooled down.

Yea he definitely be annoyed by her takes sometimes lol.

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

I honestly don’t get why she or Brooks is still on that show. Seder is a mainstream Howard Dean Democrat while Brooks is an admitted socialist and Peck is a fukking anarchist who jerks off Terry Richardson on her spare time

Don’t know maybe they want to have a people with different left leaning point of views so it doesn’t sound like an echo chamber. I don’t agree Sam is a Howard dean type though.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

the point jaime made was valid but of minimal importance. only a small number of people are so hardcore that they are disenchanted with impeachment based on pelosi being the face of it.i could understand if sam dismissed her by saying it wasnt important, but the yelling was too much. if you are going to have an actual antifa member on your show, you are going to have to make some space for her perspective. i have been watching for years and sam does have a habit of fighting her harder than any other person there on almost every issue. it's also important to note that he apologized on air once he cooled down.

bruh nothing Jamie says is important most of the time. She stays talking abuot feelings and not actual analysis of the issue at hand.

 

[NZA]

bruh nothing Jamie says is important most of the time. She stays talking abuot feelings and not actual analysis of the issue at hand.

that's not an honest assessment of her at all. she typically adds anarchist or marxist commentary that is ideologically accurate. that may not be what most people agree with, but it is a valid ideology-based perspective.

 

[Sex Luthor]

this isn't a hip hop forum. thats another section of this forum. you came in here and didn't have the conviction to stand behind what you said.

Learn from this. Its "HIGHER LEARNING"

This is a HIP HOP forum with a sub forum of higher learning. I stand behind what I said never wavered on it. I'm just not going to have a conversation on something I'm not knowledgeable about. He asked a question about something I didn't bring up or fully know about. Thats the set up for a one sided conversation. If I'm wrong about my opinion tell me why I'm wrong not bring up a different topic

 

[Sex Luthor]

This is the most intellectual p*ssy shyt I've ever seen. Like saying "I'm completely uninformed on this subject" before stating your opinion somehow absolves you of any rebuttal against your dumb ass statement? Grow a backbone and say what you mean and mean what you say. If you are uniformed on a subject, inform yourself BEFORE you make your own conclusions and damn sure before you go spouting em off on a public forum.

You're intellectually lazy and a coward.


I'm just calling a p*ssy a p*ssy. I'm not mad bro, I just hope you grow a backbone and some wisdom because you lack both. You may be offended now but hopefully I planted a seed and one day you'll realize how dumb you sound. Until then, wear condoms.

A rebuttal is when one person makes a point and someone responds to that point. You brought an entirely different point and my rebuttal was "I don't know enough to respond". I said exactly what I ment. What more is there to explain? I spoke on how I felt, you asked a question that wasn't about what I said. I said it was a battle between parties. You asked about collusion. If you would've asked why I feel like it's party vs party then we could've had a conversation... but you didn't. You told me I was wrong but didn't tell my why even after I asked why you feel that way. I'm not having a one sided debate about something I don't know about.

I'm not mad either. I just don't get why it's so difficult for you to understand why somebody won't talk about a topic they don't know about. Plus I see you can't have a conversation without throwing insults. Which proves my reasoning for not wanting to get into it with you. Why would I want to talk to you about anything?

 

[storyteller]

Don’t know maybe they want to have a people with different left leaning point of views so it doesn’t sound like an echo chamber. I don’t agree Sam is a Howard dean type though.

Accurate AF. Sam's got the degrees of the left covered. He's a lefty in his own right, fighting for basically every progressive goal there is but pushing back against the more extreme takes that always get magnified well beyond the amount of people that actually support the ideas. Brooks is a Dem Socialist and breaks down theory from further left of Sam but still grounded in a combination of history, precedents and strategy talk. Jamie is full anarcho-level Socialist, which means more figurative arguments and radical takes. So you get an introduction to leftism, strategic thinking, radical ideas at the boundaries and for good measure Matt Lech throws in a some dry humor and historical knowledge too. It's every shade of the left represented on one show, with all of the disagreements and discussions borne from that being hyper informative imho.

They also add different dimensions to the knowledge being dropped. Sam's legislative strategy and policy knowledge is top tier. Brooks global knowledge expands to a broader worldview. Jamie adds in the activist element with real experience dealing with and partaking in activism. Matt is a literary beast (his podcast is underrated AF imo but English was my favorite subject so a lit based podcast from a leftist POV is right in my wheelhouse).

If you want a firm understanding of every dimension of the left, Majority Report >>>>>

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

Accurate AF. Sam's got the degrees of the left covered. He's a lefty in his own right, fighting for basically every progressive goal there is but pushing back against the more extreme takes that always get magnified well beyond the amount of people that actually support the ideas. Brooks is a Dem Socialist and breaks down theory from further left of Sam but still grounded in a combination of history, precedents and strategy talk. Jamie is full anarcho-level Socialist, which means more figurative arguments and radical takes. So you get an introduction to leftism, strategic thinking, radical ideas at the boundaries and for good measure Matt Lech throws in a some dry humor and historical knowledge too. It's every shade of the left represented on one show, with all of the disagreements and discussions borne from that being hyper informative imho.

They also add different dimensions to the knowledge being dropped. Sam's legislative strategy and policy knowledge is top tier. Brooks global knowledge expands to a broader worldview. Jamie adds in the activist element with real experience dealing with and partaking in activism. Matt is a literary beast (his podcast is underrated AF imo but English was my favorite subject so a lit based podcast from a leftist POV is right in my wheelhouse).

If you want a firm understanding of every dimension of the left, Majority Report >>>>>

they really don’t a cover moderate angle though. None of them really seem like Hillary/Biden supporters.


Anyway I was planning to make a thread on it but how do brehs feel about Pod Save America. I like how they bring an experience of working from inside the White House and going on the campaign trial with Obama. In addition to that they do a lot for getting people involved in elections. They were out there canvassing with many of the candidates for the 2018 midterms. They also have said candidates on their shows and bring on unknowns to raise their profile. Their website “vote save America” Gives you info on each candidate their platforms and any ballot initiatives. I know some brehs don’t like them but they’re about that action.

 

[storyteller]

they really don’t a cover moderate angle though. None of them really seem like Hillary/Biden supporters.


Anyway I was planning to make a thread on it but how do brehs feel about Pod Save America. I like how they bring an experience of working from inside the White House and going on the campaign trial with Obama. In addition to that they do a lot for getting people involved in elections. They were out there canvassing with many of the candidates for the 2018 midterms. They also have said candidates on their shows and bring on unknowns to raise their profile. Their website “vote save America” Gives you info on each candidate their platforms and any ballot initiatives. I know some brehs don’t like them but they’re about that action.

The moderate angle is covered literally everywhere, so I don't think it's necessary. Sam's fair enough that the moderates don't have much room to hate (like in this thread).

Pod Save America is nice and accessible to draw in a lot of people. I appreciate that aspect of them. I don't agree with their ideals on a number of issues, but I also don't think they're bad faith. We just disagree on things. They were the Beto O'Rourke hype train, pushing him for a presidential run when he shoulda been gunning for Congress when I thought it was pretty obvious what the better decision would be. So strategic thinking wise, I'm not a fan but they'll be useful allies on plenty of issues and I would just try to turn their fans on to other coverage options that have some overlap in appeal (Pakman or Kulinsky come to mind). When I want to take a closer look at what direction the younger centrists will be moving in, I tend to check PodSave out for a while.

 

[MoneyTron]

This blowup was well warranted.

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

The moderate angle is covered literally everywhere, so I don't think it's necessary. Sam's fair enough that the moderates don't have much room to hate (like in this thread).

Pod Save America is nice and accessible to draw in a lot of people. I appreciate that aspect of them. I don't agree with their ideals on a number of issues, but I also don't think they're bad faith. We just disagree on things. They were the Beto O'Rourke hype train, pushing him for a presidential run when he shoulda been gunning for Congress when I thought it was pretty obvious what the better decision would be. So strategic thinking wise, I'm not a fan but they'll be useful allies on plenty of issues and I would just try to turn their fans on to other coverage options that have some overlap in appeal (Pakman or Kulinsky come to mind). When I want to take a closer look at what direction the younger centrists will be moving in, I tend to check PodSave out for a while.

Lol podsave was pushing Beto like a muthafukka tho. To be fair we all thought he’d blow up when running for president but yea after not gaining steam he should’ve focused on senate.
Breh I don’t think I can fukk with kulinski. He appears as one of those condescending bad faith types.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Accurate AF. Sam's got the degrees of the left covered. He's a lefty in his own right, fighting for basically every progressive goal there is but pushing back against the more extreme takes that always get magnified well beyond the amount of people that actually support the ideas. Brooks is a Dem Socialist and breaks down theory from further left of Sam but still grounded in a combination of history, precedents and strategy talk. Jamie is full anarcho-level Socialist, which means more figurative arguments and radical takes. So you get an introduction to leftism, strategic thinking, radical ideas at the boundaries and for good measure Matt Lech throws in a some dry humor and historical knowledge too. It's every shade of the left represented on one show, with all of the disagreements and discussions borne from that being hyper informative imho.

They also add different dimensions to the knowledge being dropped. Sam's legislative strategy and policy knowledge is top tier. Brooks global knowledge expands to a broader worldview. Jamie adds in the activist element with real experience dealing with and partaking in activism. Matt is a literary beast (his podcast is underrated AF imo but English was my favorite subject so a lit based podcast from a leftist POV is right in my wheelhouse).

If you want a firm understanding of every dimension of the left, Majority Report >>>>>

heres the thing though...Jamie is just a bad representation of herself because her takes are just god awful and lazy. I have no problem with her having a voice, but shes just bad at using it.