Samsung, Google and Spotify Have Considered Buying Tidal: Report

[Sean312]

#dontselloutlikeeverybodyelse

 

[The Midnight Marauder]

Nobody has seen Aspiros balance sheet since they went private perhaps you can tell us where you got this info ?
The figure you quoted is Spotifys royalty payment from last year ........

Yes. I used Spotify's 2014 numbers as a reference to better illustrate what Tidal faces. Sure, Tidal may have been able to negotiate much lowers costs for licensing. But even still, their revenue would come anywhere close to what Spotify brought in from their nearly 30 million paid subscribers, on top of the advertising money brought in from the other 40 million free users. And Spotify still lost close to $200 million dollars in 2014. Not to mention that licensing fees will skyrocket in the next few years, as most label heads are on record as saying streaming is costing them huge amounts of money.

No. This is still an evolving space...

Imagine if Spotify looked at the now defunct Rdio and said it's too late

Two completely different situations bruh. Spotify had a smart business plan to build their user base up, meanwhile, Rdio was slow to adapt and made poor financial decisions.

Rdio took two years to launch in the US, and when it finally did, the industry was already buzzing about the upcoming launch of Spotify, which came a few months later.

Unlike Rdio, Spotify launched with a free tier, which completely stole Rdio's thunder. By the time Rdio launched their own free tier, Spotify had already ran away with the market share and had 25 million users. Rdio tried to swich things up by giving Cumulus Radio (terrestrial radio company) damn near half the equity of the company so they could have the rights to stream their radio stations. That move didn't work, and it ended up being the nail in the coffin.

We will see what his strategy is in the next coming months

His strategy is to sell. When you own a company that was valued at $250 million when you launched it, and 10 months later the value's down to $100 million, you sell! He could try to find more investors to keep it afloat, but then you're just subtracting from the percentage of payout you'll get when you finally do sell. Since they're fat with new subscribers right now thanks to Kanye, it's best to sell now before those free trial cancellations start rolling in.

 

[The Midnight Marauder]

It was worth what they bought it for 56 million.

Which model valued it at 250?

I don't know anything about their strategy but they might have a 5 year plan for all we know. The streaming market is still young.

He bought it for $56 mil year, but then they revamped and rebranded it, added licensing Aspiro didn't have, and locked in exclusive content deals. It was valued $250 mil at launch mainly based of potential. Potential it hasn't been able to live up to.

They might have a 5 year plan, but it's clear that if they do it'll involve a change in the ownership structure.

 

[Randoug]

I got a feeling the Kendrick and J Cole joint album gonna be a tidal exclusive

 

[No1]

I got a feeling the Kendrick and J Cole joint album gonna be a tidal exclusive

No way. K. Dot is with Interscope and is affiliated with Dre.

 

[No1]

Yes. I used Spotify's 2014 numbers as a reference to better illustrate what Tidal faces. Sure, Tidal may have been able to negotiate much lowers costs for licensing. But even still, their revenue would come anywhere close to what Spotify brought in from their nearly 30 million paid subscribers, on top of the advertising money brought in from the other 40 million free users. And Spotify still lost close to $200 million dollars in 2014. Not to mention that licensing fees will skyrocket in the next few years, as most label heads are on record as saying streaming is costing them huge amounts of money.



Two completely different situations bruh. Spotify had a smart business plan to build their user base up, meanwhile, Rdio was slow to adapt and made poor financial decisions.

Rdio took two years to launch in the US, and when it finally did, the industry was already buzzing about the upcoming launch of Spotify, which came a few months later.

Unlike Rdio, Spotify launched with a free tier, which completely stole Rdio's thunder. By the time Rdio launched their own free tier, Spotify had already ran away with the market share and had 25 million users. Rdio tried to swich things up by giving Cumulus Radio (terrestrial radio company) damn near half the equity of the company so they could have the rights to stream their radio stations. That move didn't work, and it ended up being the nail in the coffin.




His strategy is to sell. When you own a company that was valued at $250 million when you launched it, and 10 months later the value's down to $100 million, you sell! He could try to find more investors to keep it afloat, but then you're just subtracting from the percentage of payout you'll get when you finally do sell. Since they're fat with new subscribers right now thanks to Kanye, it's best to sell now before those free trial cancellations start rolling in.

No one knows how much Tidal is actually valued at. Stop using rumored numbers. This is why I don't make predictions. I don't have the information to do it.

 

[Randoug]

No way. K. Dot is with Interscope and is affiliated with Dre.

TDE real close with Jay tho and J Cole on rocnation..could be a timed exclusive

 

[Doomsday]

Sounds like a business move, not a sell out. Image all Samsung phones coming standard with Tidal the way Apple Music does with Iphone. This is brilliant on Jay's part.

 

[Vinny Lupton]

This is what Jay wanted from the beginning. In the long run, Tidal won't overtake Spotify or Apple. Get in, get out

 

[The Midnight Marauder]

No one knows how much Tidal is actually valued at. Stop using rumored numbers. This is why I don't make predictions. I don't have the information to do it.

Tell , Forbes, Fortune, Billboard, Variety, NY Post, NY Times and every other major news outlet to stop using them as well them fam. Any valuation figure for a company that isn't publicly traded is an estimate made by business experts. That's exactly what the $100/$250 million figures are. Most business decisions are made in part based off estimates, or "predictions".

 

[Cynic]

Yes. I used Spotify's 2014 numbers as a reference to better illustrate what Tidal faces. Sure, Tidal may have been able to negotiate much lowers costs for licensing. But even still, their revenue would come anywhere close to what Spotify brought in from their nearly 30 million paid subscribers, on top of the advertising money brought in from the other 40 million free users. And Spotify still lost close to $200 million dollars in 2014. Not to mention that licensing fees will skyrocket in the next few years, as most label heads are on record as saying streaming is costing them huge amounts of money.

Label heads can piss and pout about losing revenue but they need to adapt to streaming. PERIOD.
Consumers aren't purchasing music as before.....and even the RIAA AND BILLBOARD now incorporate streaming into their certifications.

Spotify has 20 million NOT 30 million ...and actually has 75 million active users for their ad revenue
and still hasn't achieved profitability....

That being said you haven't shown us Aspiros balance sheet
so how can you make any prediction on just one subsidiary like TiDAL ?

Roc Nation artists also have ownership......

Two completely different situations bruh. Spotify had a smart business plan to build their user base up, meanwhile, Rdio was slow to adapt and made poor financial decisions.

Rdio took two years to launch in the US, and when it finally did, the industry was already buzzing about the upcoming launch of Spotify, which came a few months later.

Unlike Rdio, Spotify launched with a free tier, which completely stole Rdio's thunder. By the time Rdio launched their own free tier, Spotify had already ran away with the market share and had 25 million users. Rdio tried to swich things up by giving Cumulus Radio (terrestrial radio company) damn near half the equity of the company so they could have the rights to stream their radio stations. That move didn't work, and it ended up being the nail in the coffin.

No. They had a good marketing exec for extensive growth using the freemium "itunes for free" model......
None of these business plans are "smart" yet because it's still evolving and hasn't been profitable


Either way where would Spotify be if they looked at Rdio and didn't pursue it because
"someones already in that market" or though "it's too late"

His strategy is to sell. When you own a company that was valued at $250 million when you launched it, and 10 months later the value's down to $100 million, you sell! He could try to find more investors to keep it afloat, but then you're just subtracting from the percentage of payout you'll get when you finally do sell. Since they're fat with new subscribers right now thanks to Kanye, it's best to sell now before those free trial cancellations start rolling in.

Do you know Jay-Z ? Do you work at Mooreland Partners ? S. Carter Enterprises ?
Why are you bringing speculative valuations into this ?
There are a bunch of silicon valley companies who were valued at billions
and ready for IPOs but didn't....
Should they sell now because they have lower valuations or wait till later ?

Let him develop the business and work this live event/exclusive content angle for a while
He still has WiMP the European division and pre-Jay TiDAL audiophiles who are there
solely for the end product.....

Sure he isn't raising A,B,C rounds from banks and VC funds to ramp up growth
but all that short term growth sh!t is how you end up like Zynga/Groupon

 

[Ziggiy]

 

[No1]

Tell , Forbes, Fortune, Billboard,
Variety, NY Post, NY Times and every other major news outlet to stop using them as well them fam. Any valuation figure for a company that isn't publicly traded is an estimate made by business experts. That's exactly what the $100/$250 million figures are. Most business decisions are made in part based off estimates, or "predictions".

Forbes is well known to not know what the fukk it is talking about and everyone else quotes them. The 250 million is from what it was valued at when it closed its offering. We know nothing else besides that.

This is the same Forbes that y'all thinking 50 was sitting on 150 million

 

[JordanWearinThe45]

///\\\

 

[Buckeye Fever]

It'd be kinda hilarious if after all this music revolution, change the game forever, ownership talk they sold out to the first corporate offer they received and the whole thing was revealed as just another quick money grab

Hoping this happens simply because all these fukkin idiots on the coli were dissin us nikkaz for not "supporting black business"

Tidal was about as black as an albino's dikk