Audemar

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you mean like they had in miami.... who he left
This pretty much. It's at the "no excuses" point for Bron now. Leaving Cleveland was understandable; I remember some of those original Cavs playoff games against Boston and Orlando and it was practically Bron against 5. He had a good thing in Miami and left when it looked like the train was about to go off of the rails when he could have just been patient and see out a restructuring phase. Now, he's on a handpicked team. Let's be real, with the current roster, the Cavs aren't competing with the likes of GS, the Spurs or OKC.:youngsabo:Bron has been on that "win now" mentality, which makes him problematic for any team thinking long-term. :francis:
 

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This lebron needs help narrative is played out now. It's always lebron needs help but with other players on bad teams its they need to trade him, they can't win with him or he's not a number 1 option :beli:

Plus the cavs are still #1 in the east. What more do they want from this team:mindblown:
 

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How can Bron be blamed for what sas says:heh: He never said he needs more help.
But if he did need help so what? Durant and Russ hasn't won anything I bet they could use help. Cp3 and Blake haven't won anything I bet they would mind help. Im sure Rose and Butler wouldnt mind upgrades. Wade,Bosh,and Whiteside could use a few more pieces. Dirk would love someone to take the pressure off him so whats the problem?
But my main point is Bron shouldn't be blamed for what sas says. He knows he assembled the team so he knows he has nobody to blame but himself.
 

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GotDAMMIT another Lebron thread. What the FUKK i thought yall hate the man smh to be so hated its like 8 threads about him on the 1st page i think yall confused as hell
You seem upset....:jbhmm:





































Just fukkin with you, homie. :heh:
 

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Just because a team makes every attempt to get the right players doesn't mean they'll succeed in getting them, and so far this season the Cavs have shown that they don't have what it takes as a team to get it done, either due to injuries or inconsistency. Lebron had a monster Finals performance, and made it a respectable series without Love or Kyrie and no one else playing with any kind of consistency. Lebron's teams over his career are a perfect example of how a great team really can't be forced or bought, it has to happen organically the way San Antonio and Golden State have built their teams. It doesn't mean that a surplus of talent can't get it done the way the Heat did, just that it's far from a guarantee that it will get it done. Chemistry between the stars is more important than anything and the Cavs haven't shown an ability to sustain that, though I do believe that if Love and Kyrie stay healthy between now and the Finals this conversation will change greatly. They were 40-5 at the end of the season into the playoffs with all three of them healthy.

And aside from the 2011 Finals, all of Lebron's playoff and Finals losses boil down to not enough help. It's beating a dead horse at this point so no one wants to hear it anymore, but that doesn't make it any less true.

EDIT: Also it's not like Stephen A. is saying they need to go out and get another star, just that they need a reliable shooter, and they do, but that can be Kyrie or Love or both. Kyrie needs to get his legs under him, and Love needs to find his confidence and be told what his role really is with this team, which should be to spread the floor as a 4 and pick and pops with Lebron and Kyrie. If they play a zone D in a relentless way like the Heat did and keep moving they should be able to cover up Love's weaknesses on D.
 

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yooooooooo :ohhh: :jbhmm:

"I think that we were in a Better place BEFORE LeBron came back. I think we were set to do it the right way. We had waited and put up with the losing teams so that we could build a team the right way. We had a teaching coach, A starting center, Zeller, Pg Kyrie, and A. wiggin, and TT and a pocket full of draft picks and more money than we could take to the bank to get the players we needed. But LeBron comes back and all of a sudden it NOW!!! Just like it was when he was here the first time cap out of sight and LBJ doing what he wants. I really think that he came back because he saw we were gonna do it right, and his ego would not let us do it without him. We would have had Kyrie, Wiggins, TT Zeller and andy at the core. its not too far from what we got now, I think we would have made the playoff without LBJ last year., and this year we would have been near the top of the east . LeBron , if he want a champinship here . He should just play ball period"

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Never thought about it like that

@Eye Cue 182 speak on this


They see it. :francis:
 

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SAS is correct imo, Cavs do have a bunch of streaky shooters. K Love and co were supposed to be consistent from beyond the arc but they aren't:manny:
 

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They see it. :francis:

They're destined to fail...

CLE was actually retooling from the ground up. Not some QE4/Stimulus Bron comes back let's win now shyt... They let the bottom fall out after he left and were adding all the right pieces o compete





Or :jbhmm:





Bring him back! Remember the narrative then was if we start to compete and add younger prices he'll want to come back after his contract in 14 is up... That's what happened lol.. Those fans over on the CLE forum are trying to rewrite history because they're realizing this may not work.
 

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yooooooooo :ohhh: :jbhmm:

"I think that we were in a Better place BEFORE LeBron came back. I think we were set to do it the right way. We had waited and put up with the losing teams so that we could build a team the right way. We had a teaching coach, A starting center, Zeller, Pg Kyrie, and A. wiggin, and TT and a pocket full of draft picks and more money than we could take to the bank to get the players we needed. But LeBron comes back and all of a sudden it NOW!!! Just like it was when he was here the first time cap out of sight and LBJ doing what he wants. I really think that he came back because he saw we were gonna do it right, and his ego would not let us do it without him. We would have had Kyrie, Wiggins, TT Zeller and andy at the core. its not too far from what we got now, I think we would have made the playoff without LBJ last year., and this year we would have been near the top of the east . LeBron , if he want a champinship here . He should just play ball period"

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Never thought about it like that

@Eye Cue 182 speak on this



:ohhh:
 
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