Saturday's on Stadium Drive: 2012-13 FSU Thread

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its the weirdest series in modern ACC history, for whatever reason NCSt always gives the Noles a problem. i saw the halftime score, broke a few things courtesy of the Canes, then saw the final like :mindblown:

Reading the meltdown from FSU fans on here :laff:

Too funny.

But yeah, I've been a fan of NCSU my whole life, and it does seem like for some reason we always find a way to pull out a W against Florida State. State isn't exactly a pushover, give us some credit. Not saying we should be ranked top 25, but we're a good squad in a good conference. We should have beat Miami, we had a chance to beat Tennessee ... should have won, but oh well.

FSU basically begged State to win this game. Had so many chances to put the nail in the coffin, but couldn't close. Glennon is a capable QB, and if you give him enough chances to score, eventually he'll put points on the board.

Anyway, Florida, you're welcome. Clemson, you're welcome. I still have the Tigers winning the ACC, and after a game like this who knows what's going to happen.
 

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I can forgive last year because they exceeded expectations in 2010 and the injuries last yr were crazy, but losing to wake and UVA was ridiculous. Jimbo needs to acquire a killer instinct. Imma come for Jimbo and trickett's head if the team flops this year

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This is his problem he doesn't take games against the Wakes,NC States and UVas of the world serious. You have to have respect for your opponents. How do you expect your players to take this game serious if you don't. He was content with just sitting on a lead the entire game and it came back to bite him.


btw even if this is EJs fault. With a new qb next year why am I suppose to believe Jimbo still wont find away to lose a game or two he shouldn't
 

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Jimbo is a puss man it really don't matter who is the QB. Dude is scared to play tougher teams (look at the OOC schedules he wants) scared to run up the score (got nikkas taking knees) and scared to take risk on offense. We ain't winning what we want with this cat as the coach this dude got Frank Beamer with better players written all over him.

Jimbo needs to give up playcalling duties,hire a real OC and let him do his own thing. This conservative style of ball Jimbo got us playing ain't shyt and the stunts he pulling with nikkas like Wilder is gonna scare off top recruits on the offensive side of the ball. I can't believe this puss ruined our season with his coward like approach to these games.

Jimbo talks a good game and cuts a good promo but he can't back it up. If FSU isn't 13-1 at the end of the year I'd have no problem saying he and a bunch of other coaches need to be wished well in their future endeavors. Blaming the players for not executing that BS you calling all night fukk you Jimbo.
 

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Jimbo's presser today was awful. Dude sounded delusional and said some pretty asinine things.

Check this out since 2005 when FSU is ranked and has played an unranked ACC team on the road they are 0-8.
Jimbo is only 7-5 in road games.
FSU has lost 5 games under Jimbo when they have been a double digit favorite.

I'm not saying I want dude fired yet, but FSU clearly at least needs to prepare an exit strategy when dude flops next season.
 

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Jimbo's presser today was awful. Dude sounded delusional and said some pretty asinine things.

Check this out since 2005 when FSU is ranked and has played an unranked ACC team on the road they are 0-8.
Jimbo is only 7-5 in road games.
FSU has lost 5 games under Jimbo when they have been a double digit favorite.

I'm not saying I want dude fired yet, but FSU clearly at least needs to prepare an exit strategy when dude flops next season.

Yeah the arrogance is scaring me
 

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So... I see the halftime score and I'm like :wtf:

No worries .. UM beat dem nikkaz.. we got dis :obama:


*listens to sports radio's top 10 this morning*

Hold up...:wtf: we lost????? :wtf:


:snoop:. I thought the usual suspects (BC. Clemson) would beat us but..:smh:
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So... I see the halftime score and I'm like :wtf:

No worries .. UM beat dem nikkaz.. we got dis :obama:


*listens to sports radio's top 10 this morning*

Hold up...:wtf: we lost????? :wtf:


:snoop:. I thought the usual suspects (BC. Clemson) would beat us but..:smh:
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If you watched the entire game you could see it coming. The redzone offense sucks and some of the playcalling just leaves you :snoop:


I see EJ getting killed now more than after the game and yeah he missed a couple big plays but I don't see Jimbo using him to the best of his abilities. He don't run him claiming "we need to save him for the big games" so dude is basically handcuffed into being a pocket passer.

No one has answered why the fukk JWJ got 1 fukking carry all night. Jimbo repeatedly playing Smith who runs lazy ass routes is getting on my nerves as well. You got 8 WR's who can play stop being loyal to seniors.
 

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Y'all know how I feel about what happened. I'm not even stressing it no more. ACC title or bust from here on out. But I called that shyt when we kicked off to start the third. Lacsidaisical game plans get you L's and that's exactly what happened. tbh, really don't even give a damn about this weekends game and I've already given my U tix away. Until the product gets better AND more competent, I'm only supporting this program from afar like the old boosters did when BB was fired
 

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know the L to NCST has been harped on all week but give this one a listen....they LEAN on to Fisher something heavy; give hints that Trickett, Coley & Stoops are really tired of Jimbo's shyt (at least those were the coaches I took from what they were saying); talk about the presser on Monday...really good listen...2 hours worth of content and I've only listened to one hour....well worth some burn @no1es run this @thelonious21 @Constellations @thacole @HacksawJimThuggin @mr 321 @Champ_KW @Black

Warchant.com - Podcast: Breaking down the N.C. State loss
 
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that conservativee shyt is why I wasn't a fan of Jimbo in the beginning.....I became a fan, but this loss got me rethinking. I almost punched this sold concrete wall in the condo I was staying in on South Beach......luckily I composed myself.
 

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Odds & Ends -- Week 6: Post-NCSU - Tomahawk Nation

15 and 4.

That's Jimbo Fisher's record when his squad is the favorite by at least 10 points. Jimbo loses these games 21% of the time. Said another way: One loss every five games as 10+ point favorites.

Fisher has suffered these types of losses at the hands of UNC (-11), @ Wake (-10), Virgina (-17), and @ NCSU (-17). FSU gets a lot of action, so these numbers are a touch inflated. They originally opened at UNC (-9), @ Wake (-11), Virginia (-16.5), & NCSU (-13.5). Still, FSU was on average a two-score favorite. (Perhaps there is an alternate meaning for Jimboflation?)

Nick Saban, the gold standard amongst college coaches, is 55-2 (or a 4% losing rate) when sitting on a 10+ point spread advantage. One loss came against UF in 2003 (-10) when he coached LSU. The other loss? His first year at Alabama, losing to 24-point road dog La.-Monroe in 2007, something Fisher definitely has not done yet.

How about a contemporary? Oregon's 4th year head coach Chip Kelly has an additional year on Fisher, but is relatively new to the arena like Fisher. Chip's record when facing 10+ point underdogs? 29-1 (3%). That one loss came as 15-point favorites over USC last year.

Those numbers again: Fisher - 21%. Saban - 4%. Kelly - 3%.

Fisher is losing these types of games at a rate 6 times greater than Saban, and over 6 times greater than Kelly.

For fairness' sake, Kelly and Saban have played more games as very heavy favorites than Fisher has. How do their records compare when facing underdogs of 10.5-to-17 points?

Saban is 21-1 (95%).
Kelly is 7-1 (87%).
Fisher is 6-4 (60%).
Into Year 3, Fisher is losing these types of games on average 9 times more frequently than Saban, and 3 times more than Kelly.

Phil Steele did a study that showed what proportion of games underdogs won based on their point spread using data on teams from 1996-2008. Relevant to our study here, he reports that favorites of 10.5-to-14 points lost 21.1% of the time (242 losses in 1,146 games). Favorites of 14.5-to-17 points lost 13.5% of the time (88 losses in 650 games). On average, favorites lose to underdogs of 10.5-to-17 points 18.4% of the time (330 losses in 1,796 games).

Saban's and Kelly's numbers are better than the national average against 10.5-to-17 point underdogs. Fisher's loss rate (40%) is more than double the national average (18.4%).

What do these numbers tell us about Fisher?

That Vegas is overestimating Florida State? Perhaps.

Or that Fisher has trouble putting away marginal - although not terrible - opponents. Perhaps he's the anti- (Bob) Stoops; Fisher won't ever win the big one because he can't win the small one.

Given the sample size, Fisher's subpar record could be noise rather than a signal. And while potentially a valid critique, "sample size" doesn't seem to buy you as many years as a major program's head coach these days as it used to.

If it is indeed a signal, Fisher's 6-4 record can be interpreted as a rate: Fisher loses these types of games twice every five times against 10.5-to-17 point underdogs. Looking at the season so far, Clemson, USF, and NCSU all fit this category - and Fisher is 2-1 thus far.

With Miami (-14ish) and VT (-10ish) on our schedule, Fisher looks to defy that pattern - or buttress it.
 
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