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Saudi walks back escalation as dramatic moves backfire

Saudi walks back escalation as dramatic moves backfire

BEIRUT (AP) — Saudi Arabia’s dramatic moves to counter Iran in the region appear to have backfired, significantly ratcheting up regional tensions and setting off a spiral of reactions and anger that seem to have caught the kingdom off guard.

Now it’s trying to walk back its escalations in Lebanon and Yemen.

On Monday, the kingdom announced that the Saudi-led coalition fighting Shiite rebels in Yemen would begin reopening airports and seaports in the Arab world’s poorest country, days after closing them over a rebel ballistic missile attack on Riyadh.

The move came just hours after Lebanese Prime Minister Saad Hariri, who shocked the nation by announcing his resignation from the Saudi capital on Nov. 4, gave an interview in which he backed off his strident condemnation of the Lebanese militant Hezbollah, saying he would return to the country within days to seek a settlement with the Shiite militants, his rivals in his coalition government.

The two developments suggest that Saudi Arabia’s bullish young crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman, may be trying to pedal back from the abyss of a severe regional escalation.

“This represents de-escalation by the Saudis,” said Yezid Sayigh, a senior fellow at the Carnegie Middle East Center in Beirut. “The general trend is that the Saudis are going to back off and this is largely because of the unexpected extent of international pressure, and not least of all U.S. pressure.”

Mohammed bin Salman, widely known by his initials, MBS, has garnered a reputation for being decisive, as well as impulsive.

At just 32 years old and with little experience in government, he has risen to power in just three years to oversee all major aspects of politics, security and the economy in Saudi Arabia. As defense minister, he is in charge of the Saudi-led war in Yemen.

He also appears to have the support of President Donald Trump and his son-in-law, senior adviser Jared Kushner, who visited the Saudi capital earlier this month.

Saudi partners in the Gulf and the Trump administration rushed to defend the kingdom publicly after a rebel Houthi missile was fired at the Saudi capital, Riyadh, from Yemen last week. A top U.S. military official also backed Saudi claims that the missile was manufactured by Iran.

However, Saudi Arabia’s move to tighten an already devastating blockade on Yemen in response to the missile was roundly criticized by aid groups, humanitarian workers and the United Nations, which warned that the blockade could bring millions of people closer to “starvation and death.”

Saudi Arabia’s decision to ease the blockade after just a week suggests it bowed to the international criticism, and did not want the bad publicity of even more images of emaciated Yemeni children and elderly people circulating online and in the media.

Public pressure, however, has not always worked to bring about a change in Saudi policy. The kingdom’s abrupt decision, in coordination with the United Arab Emirates, to cut ties with Qatar five months ago was widely criticized as an overreach. Still, Saudi Arabia and the UAE have not backed down from their list of demands, and if anything, appear to have dug in their heels further. The kingdom accuses Qatar of backing extremists in large part due to its ties with Iran and its support of Islamist groups, an allegation that Qatar strongly denies.

While Saudi Arabia appears to have the full backing of Trump, the recent purge of top princes, officials, businessmen and military officers has raised concerns the crown prince has overextended himself. The kingdom says it has detained 201 people in the sweeping anti-corruption probe, which MBS is overseeing. The arrests raise the potential for internal strife and discord within the royal family, whose unity has been the bedrock of the kingdom for decades.

The crown prince shows no sign of backing down from the purge either. The government has promised to expand its probe, and has reportedly frozen some 1,200 bank accounts.

It is too early to say how Saudi Arabia will handle the crisis in Lebanon triggered by Hariri’s resignation, and whether he will indeed try to reach a new settlement with Hezbollah as he announced in the interview Sunday night.

But his abrupt resignation, clearly engineered by the kingdom, may have been an uncalculated step too far.

The 47-year-old Saudi-aligned Hariri was summoned from Beirut to Riyadh on Nov. 3 and resigned the next day in a televised speech in which he unexpectedly tore into Iran and its Lebanese proxy Hezbollah, announcing in uncharacteristically strong language that Iran’s arms in the region would be “cut off.” The resignation shattered a year-old coalition government that included Hezbollah members that had kept the calm and was just starting to make strides toward injecting some cash and confidence in the country’s economy.

A political crisis has gripped Lebanon since, but instead of splitting the Lebanese, the manner of Hariri’s resignation has provoked outrage among most. Convinced that he was forced to quit and was being held against his will, the Lebanese found rare unity around their demand that Hariri be allowed to return home.

The shock resignation, seen as a rash Saudi decision to drag Lebanon back to the forefront of the Saudi-Iranian battle for regional supremacy, jolted the Middle East and also took world capitals by surprise.

Already facing widespread international criticism over its crippling blockade of Yemen and skepticism over the unprecedented wave of arrests inside Saudi Arabia, the kingdom suddenly seemed like a rogue nation acting on impulse and taking the region to the brink of explosion.

If he was emboldened by the support from Trump and Kushner, the crown prince appears to have overreached.

While it took a few days, the U.S. response has been embarrassing for the kingdom.

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said the U.S. opposes action that would threaten the stability of Lebanon and warned other countries against using Lebanon “as a venue for proxy conflicts” — a statement that seemed to be directed equally at Saudi Arabia and Iran.

More surprisingly, the White House issued a strongly worded statement calling on all states and parties to respect Lebanon’s sovereignty and constitutional processes, describing Hariri as a “trusted partner of the United States in strengthening Lebanese institutions, fighting terrorism and protecting refugees.”

“I think the Saudis fundamentally misjudged this... and should have known better,” said Sayigh, the Carnegie analyst.

“They’ve been relying too heavily ... on Trump’s people and misjudged that the U.S. administration is not just Trump,” he said.

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Associated Press writers Aya Batrawy in Dubai, the United Arab Emirates, and Maggie Michael in Cairo contributed to this report.
 

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“They’ve been relying too heavily ... on Trump’s people and misjudged that the U.S. administration is not just Trump,” he said.

This is key. Exact same thing happened with Qatar. They thought Trump tweets = American policy, but the foreign/defense policy bureaucracy and machinery is bigger than the presidency.
 

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Yh. Saudi = Wile E Coyote. All their schemes backfire


Let's talk about Saudi taking so many Ls Vs Iran
What a terrible analogy. KSA buys their toys from the USA. Cayote manufactured his own toys.

This is a wonderful time to sell them more guns they can’t use. With this new batch they can wipe the lousy {enemy inserted here} off the face of the earth.
 

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The Saudis many moves is reactive not proactive. The reason why the Saudis fail is because:
1) They think they can buy loyalty. They think their wealth can get them to overcome Iran. They throw money at a situation and think they can win. Egypt and Pakistan depend on the Saudis for cash but both refused to send ground troops into Yemen. They know Yemen is a graveyard of powers and wanted no shyt with that. They threw money at the rebels in Syria but they kept getting defeated.
2) They overestimate their capabilities and underestimate their adversaries. The War in Yemen is an example. They believed they were going to march into Saana in a couple of months and defeat the Houthis. Instead they are stuck in the Yemen ulcer. They are spending $20 million a day in a bloody quagmire. They have created more anti Saudi hatred in the soft underbelly which will have major blowback in the upcoming years. Plus UAE has more influence in South Yemen. Which means Saudi Arabia will border a hostile North Yemen. Iran is more than happy to turn Yemen into Saudi Arabia's Afghanistan. They have all the shiny toys but can't defeat a ragtag guerilla force wearing flip flops. The Yemen Saudi border will be a place of attrition. And the war will bankrupt the Saudis eventually. The day of high oil prices are over and the Armaco IPO deal is looking funny in the light.

3) Depending on a vulnerable Trump administration. They have have the support from Trump. But he is under investigation and Mueller is likely got some shyt to bring down Trump. If that happens the Saudis are fukked. Because they aren't sure if Pence or whoever will tolerate the Kingdom.

4) They do not know how to develop proxies. Iran does. The reason is because a united beliefs Shiites are under siege. Also Iran send men on the ground to train and equipment their proxies but all also develop a corp d'esprit with their proxies. The Saudis own military is incompetent and has low morale. That isn't to say Iran's military is better but when it comes to assymetrical and guerilla warfare they are a formidable force.
 

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The Saudis many moves is reactive not proactive. The reason why the Saudis fail is because:
1) They think they can buy loyalty. They think their wealth can get them to overcome Iran. They throw money at a situation and think they can win. Egypt and Pakistan depend on the Saudis for cash but both refused to send ground troops into Yemen. They know Yemen is a graveyard of powers and wanted no shyt with that. They threw money at the rebels in Syria but they kept getting defeated.
2) They overestimate their capabilities and underestimate their adversaries. The War in Yemen is an example. They believed they were going to march into Saana in a couple of months and defeat the Houthis. Instead they are stuck in the Yemen ulcer. They are spending $20 million a day in a bloody quagmire. They have created more anti Saudi hatred in the soft underbelly which will have major blowback in the upcoming years. Plus UAE has more influence in South Yemen. Which means Saudi Arabia will border a hostile North Yemen. Iran is more than happy to turn Yemen into Saudi Arabia's Afghanistan. They have all the shiny toys but can't defeat a ragtag guerilla force wearing flip flops. The Yemen Saudi border will be a place of attrition. And the war will bankrupt the Saudis eventually. The day of high oil prices are over and the Armaco IPO deal is looking funny in the light.

3) Depending on a vulnerable Trump administration. They have have the support from Trump. But he is under investigation and Mueller is likely got some shyt to bring down Trump. If that happens the Saudis are fukked. Because they aren't sure if Pence or whoever will tolerate the Kingdom.

4) They do not know how to develop proxies. Iran does. The reason is because a united beliefs Shiites are under siege. Also Iran send men on the ground to train and equipment their proxies but all also develop a corp d'esprit with their proxies. The Saudis own military is incompetent and has low morale. That isn't to say Iran's military is better but when it comes to assymetrical and guerilla warfare they are a formidable force.

Nice overview. Yemen's been at a stalemate for almost 2 years now. While it was easy to push the Houthis/Saleh out of the South where they are hated and over-extended, they thought they could do the same in the North relying on an air campaign. They aren't willing to deploy their own soldiers to fight for Sana'a as they know it will result in major casualties, while for the Houthis its an existential fight. Ironically they seem to have strengthened the Houthis control in Sana'a, as they've retained support through the resentment caused by the airstrikes, while maneuvering to sideline Saleh. I'd imagine they want an out of the conflict, while saving face, but can't even do that because they have as little influence in the North as ever.
 

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Nice overview. Yemen's been at a stalemate for almost 2 years now. While it was easy to push the Houthis/Saleh out of the South where they are hated and over-extended, they thought they could do the same in the North relying on an air campaign. They aren't willing to deploy their own soldiers to fight for Sana'a as they know it will result in major casualties, while for the Houthis its an existential fight. Ironically they seem to have strengthened the Houthis control in Sana'a, as they've retained support through the resentment caused by the airstrikes, while maneuvering to sideline Saleh. I'd imagine they want an out of the conflict, while saving face, but can't even do that because they have as little influence in the North as ever.
Pretty much. And the Yemeni army/Republican Guard are united with the Houthis now. Hell they chant the Houthi Death to America Death to Israel chant. And ironically they made them closer to Iran. Iran told the Houthis not to advance to Saana or Aden but they ignored them. Now the Houthi/Saleh alliance is closer to Iran. And with Saleh near death it will be the Houthis who are in charge. The Houthis masterly turned the war from a conventional to a guerilla people's war against a foreign power. The more the Saudis bomb hospitals and school and funerals the more they built anti Saudi resentment. This isn't going away. The Saudis really screwed the pooch and have now way to end the war. It will be like Afghanistan. It is a war with no end until they get bankrupted.
 

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The Saudis many moves is reactive not proactive. The reason why the Saudis fail is because:
1) They think they can buy loyalty. They think their wealth can get them to overcome Iran. They throw money at a situation and think they can win. Egypt and Pakistan depend on the Saudis for cash but both refused to send ground troops into Yemen. They know Yemen is a graveyard of powers and wanted no shyt with that. They threw money at the rebels in Syria but they kept getting defeated.
2) They overestimate their capabilities and underestimate their adversaries. The War in Yemen is an example. They believed they were going to march into Saana in a couple of months and defeat the Houthis. Instead they are stuck in the Yemen ulcer. They are spending $20 million a day in a bloody quagmire. They have created more anti Saudi hatred in the soft underbelly which will have major blowback in the upcoming years. Plus UAE has more influence in South Yemen. Which means Saudi Arabia will border a hostile North Yemen. Iran is more than happy to turn Yemen into Saudi Arabia's Afghanistan. They have all the shiny toys but can't defeat a ragtag guerilla force wearing flip flops. The Yemen Saudi border will be a place of attrition. And the war will bankrupt the Saudis eventually. The day of high oil prices are over and the Armaco IPO deal is looking funny in the light.

3) Depending on a vulnerable Trump administration. They have have the support from Trump. But he is under investigation and Mueller is likely got some shyt to bring down Trump. If that happens the Saudis are fukked. Because they aren't sure if Pence or whoever will tolerate the Kingdom.

4) They do not know how to develop proxies. Iran does. The reason is because a united beliefs Shiites are under siege. Also Iran send men on the ground to train and equipment their proxies but all also develop a corp d'esprit with their proxies. The Saudis own military is incompetent and has low morale. That isn't to say Iran's military is better but when it comes to assymetrical and guerilla warfare they are a formidable force.


In the end I think it comes down to the fact that Saudi Arabia is a family business masquerading as a state whilst Iran is an actual state with institutions.
 

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And the big elephant in the room is Saudi Arabia cannot hope to be a modern investment driven economy while at war with Yemen. How you gonna spend 500 billion on a new city and supporta 20 million dollar a day war? The math makes no sense.
 
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