SCOTUS on Affirmative Action - Regarding University Admissions (2022)

[Professor Emeritus]

Yes it's obvious California is not uniformly liberal because even at the height of their liberalism which is now they failed. Yet you still wave pom poms without a critique in the world.

Who is "waving pom poms" for California voters? I shyt on California voters and California politicians all the time. Have you seen how I feel about Barbara Boxer, Kamala Harris, Nancy Pelosi, etc? They're not liberal on every issue, especially not every one that matters to me.

It is generally true that as a legislature, California has one of the most liberal, and that's why their legislature is the only one concretely pursuing reparations right now. That's why their legislature strongly supported bringing back affirmative action.

But the legislature is more liberal on those issues than the voting body. Huge areas of California (San Diego County, Orange County, Ventura County, most of California north of the bay and damn near all of California east of the coast) has a lot of conservatives. It's not just on racial issues either, California voters have pushed conservative on everything from gay marriage to governor recalls under the right circumstances.

We got a lot of super liberal conservatives out here when it comes time for black people to get some s***

You can't blame the conservative pockets of California for that. The liberal voters just didn't turn out for their own initiatives because they don't give a s***. Your white liberal warrior friends don't care. Why can't you see that? Your liberal army are lip professors.

They say look what the conservatives did and then follow through with their policies within institutions.

Also watch yourself with those personal insults. I'm trying to be patient with you.

You're wilding out as fukk right now when you're a conservative, yet shytting on liberals for not opposing conservatives hard enough. T

he energy going into Prop 16 was confusing because the words "affirmative action" weren't mentioned in the actual ballot language - only 50-60% of Black voters said they supported it in polls, even though other polls showed that 70-80% of Black voters support affirmative action. Some voters weren't sure exactly what it would do and some voters didn't want to support it because they bought into the propaganda that nothing would change except Black folk getting shytted on for not being "really" deserving of college.

Unclear ballot language, lack of time to connect with voters explain affirmative action loss, backers say

Confusing ballot language, lack of time to get a clear message to voters and misreading public support contributed to the decisive loss of Prop. 16

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Regardless of why not enough black/latino and liberal voters voted for it, the fact is that the VAST majority of opposition was the white evangelicals and conservatives and men you roll around on the mat with and continuously support on these pages. Your agenda is a joke.

 

[Gritsngravy]

What does it mean and what happens once they stop affirmative action?

 

[Wild self]

What does it mean and what happens once they stop affirmative action?

Going back to the 1950s when black people dont have access to white collar jobs and only work in low wage jobs again. Basically the office will be 100% white.

 

[Robbie3000]

Don't read the TLR thread. You got "thorough tough" black posters advocating this because it gets blacks back into trades and low paying jobs.

shyt was wild.

Poster A: Ending AA is bad because it will reduce number of black students at elite universities like Harvard

TLR crash dummy: We need to focus on trades anyway.

Me literally:

 

[OfTheCross]

In higher education and beyond, race-based policies stifle individualism and ultimately harm everyone - SCOTUSblog

This article is part of a symposium on the upcoming arguments in Students for Fair Admissions v. University of North Carolina and Students for Fair Admissions v. President & Fellows of Harvard College. A preview of the case is here. Wen Fa is a senior attorney with Pacific Legal Foundation. H

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The history of anti-Black discrimination in higher education and the myth of a color-blind Constitution - SCOTUSblog

This article is part of a symposium on the upcoming arguments in Students for Fair Admissions v. University of North Carolina and Students for Fair Admissions v. President & Fellows of Harvard College. A preview of the case is here. Danielle R. Holley is dean and professor of law at Howard Un

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[Payday23]

I fully expect scotus to rule AA unconstitutional

 

[Gritsngravy]

shyt was wild.

Poster A: Ending AA is bad because it will reduce number of black students at elite universities like Harvard

TLR crash dummy: We need to focus on trades anyway.

Me literally:

Wouldn’t ending affirmative action make it worse to get jobs in trades for black people

 

[EndDomination]

What does it mean and what happens once they stop affirmative action?

There will be a drop in Black admits to "prestigious" universities, there will be an increase in litigation against universities and primary/secondary schools that utilize proxies for race (many of which are tied closely to class and neighborhood), there will be an increase in litigation against public entities that have diversity programs in place for promotions and leadership (as well as hiring), and then there will just generally be an increase in litigation against organizations that are race-blind.

The goal is to push back any program designed to fight the effects of systemic racism.

 

[DEAD7]

There will be a drop in Black admits to "prestigious" universities, there will be an increase in litigation against universities and primary/secondary schools that utilize proxies for race (many of which are tied closely to class and neighborhood), there will be an increase in litigation against public entities that have diversity programs in place for promotions and leadership (as well as hiring), and then there will just generally be an increase in litigation against organizations that are race-blind.

The goal is to push back any program designed to fight the effects of systemic racism.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

and you're ok with it

 

[Gritsngravy]

There will be a drop in Black admits to "prestigious" universities, there will be an increase in litigation against universities and primary/secondary schools that utilize proxies for race (many of which are tied closely to class and neighborhood), there will be an increase in litigation against public entities that have diversity programs in place for promotions and leadership (as well as hiring), and then there will just generally be an increase in litigation against organizations that are race-blind.

The goal is to push back any program designed to fight the effects of systemic racism.

The crazy thing in my opinion about this argument is these colleges barley have black people attending, I wouldn’t be shocked if there were more Asians going to these “prestigious” universities than black people but the argument is black people are getting preferred treatment over Asians, and the argument is test scores which I don’t know how they can even prove, And this shyt is riding in court, the fix is in, this was always the play years ago cause none of these arguments should even work cause they don’t make sense

 

[Professor Emeritus]

The crazy thing in my opinion about this argument is these colleges barley have black people attending, I wouldn’t be shocked if there were more Asians going to these “prestigious” universities than black people but the argument is black people are getting preferred treatment over Asians, and the argument is test scores which I don’t know how they can even prove, And this shyt is riding in court, the fix is in, this was always the play years ago cause none of these arguments should even work cause they don’t make sense

Harvard has twice as many Asian students as Black students, despite Black folk being 2.5x greater portion of the USA population. So Asian folk are about 5x more overrepresented compared to their population, and the White people are still trying to use them in a ploy to get Black folk out of the cut.

 

[hashmander]

The crazy thing in my opinion about this argument is these colleges barley have black people attending, I wouldn’t be shocked if there were more Asians going to these “prestigious” universities than black people but the argument is black people are getting preferred treatment over Asians, and the argument is test scores which I don’t know how they can even prove, And this shyt is riding in court, the fix is in, this was always the play years ago cause none of these arguments should even work cause they don’t make sense

oh there are way more of them. at UCLA asians make up the majority, it's a PAI. i think it's the same for Berkeley as well.

 

[DrBanneker]

I'm not dissing prestigious higher ed but now would be the time to start revamping and upgrading the HBCUs for the 21st century. A lot of PWIs and their non-Black students are going to be more indifferent if not hostile over time I fear. Remember the HBCU enrollment bump from the influence of A Different World? We may see that again though stretched over time.

 

[DrBanneker]

Also, what is ironic is that China has affirmative action for college admissions. I learned about it when I lived there. The PRC government knows that test scores alone would mean the seats at top colleges would be taken over by Han students from Beijing/Shanghai/Ningbo, etc. They purposely help allocate seats for rural Han students and ethnic minorities like Tibetans, Uyghurs, Mongols, etc. Not as pervasive as here but it isn't only a US thing.

I knew an education prof there and the disparity in China's education is huge. Rural vs. Top Urban Han students have a divide as bad or worse than the Black-White divide here.