:scusthov: @ all you dudes that's cosigning this Michael Sam foolishness

[FluffyCorleone]

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

If someone says something racist, would you question why there would be backlash from racial minorities? If someone says something misogynistic, would you question why there would be backlash from women? You're entitled to opinions others find offensive; but that doesn't mean those other people have to accept it.


Also, I hope you're this vehement about opposing lesbians

So you agree that the backlash from Coli members regarding my posts is because they are secretly gay themselves, so when I say something against gay folks, they are taking it personally because they are gay?

Thanks for proving my point.


And also, we all are entitled to our opinions. I agree. And my opinion is, this stuff is foolishness. Thank you for once again proving my point.

 

[Remote]

Here's the thing, man...
It's discriminatory. Period.
If Michael Sam or any other gay player is capable of playing professional football at a high level and helps you win games, he's entitled to all the perks and benefits that any other player on the roster is entitled to.
Yes, it's sometimes difficult to balance the rights of the many against the rights of the few.
There might be some players who are not comfortable with a gay teammate. They're free to believe and feel what they want. Maybe taking a shower with Michael Sam makes them uncomfortable. Well, I'm sorry but tough deal.
Do this. Take sexual orientation out of it.
Let's say that this was 50 years ago and a bunch of white football players "didn't feel comfortable" showering with a black teammate. Should that black teammate be forced to shower separately?
Now I know you're thinking "well color and sexual orientation aren't the same thing within the dynamics of a shower room"
That might be true. But it's the very nature of the discrimination that is the same. And that's why it's wrong.
And on a more casual trolling level...what makes these uncomfortable football players think that Michael Sam wants to hook up with them anyway?
He's gay. He's not a serial homosexual rapist.

 

[kp404]

So you agree that the backlash from Coli members regarding my posts is because they are secretly gay themselves, so when I say something against gay folks, they are taking it personally because they are gay?

Thanks for proving my point.


And also, we all are entitled to our opinions. I agree. And my opinion is, this stuff is foolishness. Thank you for once again proving my point.

I noticed you skipped my questions because you are troll and have no real discussion to add other than to call people gay that don't agree with your illogical statement. So I'm going to put you in the red and its obvious that's where you will stay.

 

[Hacksaw Jim Thuggin]

No, I'm saying that of COURSE there are gay men in the NFL...

But they're keeping it to themselves.

I mean, really? Why is it that gay atheletes, Michael Sams, Jason Colins, feel the need to be congratulated on who they're sleeping with?

What's up with that?

how many athletes do you see that have to put it out there that, "Yes, I sleep with women, I like women, I love women" etc etc.

Why does it need to be shoved in everybody's face?

And then when you run across someone that doesn't agree with it, they have to be forced to apologize and shuck and jive and talk about how "they didn't mean it" and give a million dollars to lgbt organizations.

Whats with the pressure?

If you wanna be gay, go be gay.

If I wanna be straight, Imma be straight.

But why do you have to put your gayness in my face and try to force me to accept it, and congratulate you, and berate me if I don't wanna deal with it?

The fact that you're tryna force it on me makes me even more about it.

breh...tell me a specific example where homosexuality was thrown in your face? when did you ever have to congratulate it? and when were you berated?

 

[Soundbwoy]

when I fist saw the video I was one of those who did the but tbh live and let live he's not hurting nobody he is living his truth would you rather he be on the dl?

 

[Soundwave]

really?

REALLY??

@really?

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

I noticed you skipped my questions because you are troll and have no real discussion to add other than to call people gay that don't agree with your illogical statement. So I'm going to put you in the red and its obvious that's where you will stay.

I didn't call you gay, first of all.

That statement wasn't even directed at you. I was talking about the poster that called me "dumb" because I don't agree with his outlook on life.

But neg me if you want.


As far as everything else you said:

I was planning to reply to it in another statement, but I'll reply to it now:

1. Keeping it to themselves? How do you know players aren't aware of their non-straight teammates?

That's true. I don't know. But by that same token, you can't say for sure that they ARE aware.

2. You said the problem with having gay men shower with straight men is that they could "possibly be attracted to each other, and it opens the door for harassment, indecent public behavior and just a bunch of other stuff."

But if gay and bisexual men have already been showering with straight men, and there haven't been any of the issues you named, why would Michael Sam be any different? Him going public with his sexual orientation somehow makes him more prone to predatory behavior and less inclined to be a disciplined professional?

So let me ask you this: if it's okay for gay men that ARE attracted to men, to shower with men; then why isn't it okay for straight men who are attracted to women, to shower with women?

I would like to know your honest response to that.

Ironically, threads like this contribute to why an athlete coming out is such a big deal, tbh. Gay athletes help combat oppressive, socially constructed standards of behavior we have in our culture regarding sexual orientation. As long as there are people who think gay people can't shower with straight people without sexual harassing them, there will be an outpouring of support whenever someone comes out of the closet

What have I said that's oppressive? So for me to say that I don't agree with homosexuality, that's "oppressive"?

So if I don't agree with someone smoking cigarettes, I'm all of a sudden "oppressing" them?

 

[beanz]

you dudes are so stupid.

what kind of remotes did ya cable service provider come with that ya cant change the channel at will?

what cities do ya live in where ya got gays knocking on ya doors to force ya to watch em have sex on ur beds?

what kind of radios ya have that ya can only hear macklemore's song about gay marriage?

what kind of internets do ya have that automatically forces your browsers to michael sam coverage?

get a life guys

 

[Shaman]

So you agree that the backlash from Coli members regarding my posts is because they are secretly gay themselves, so when I say something against gay folks, they are taking it personally because they are gay?

Thanks for proving my point.

Nah, that supposed backlash could be for any number of reasons. Some people might just find you morally reprehensible and/or intellectually bankrupt; some people could just be looking for a way to distract themselves during finals

And also, we all are entitled to our opinions. I agree. And my opinion is, this stuff is foolishness. Thank you for once again proving my point.

My point is that you are entitled to view "this stuff" as "foolishness" and voice that viewpoint, just as other people are entitled to view YOU as foolish and voice that viewpoint. To condemn THEM without condemning YOURSELF is hypocritical

That's true. I don't know. But by that same token, you can't say for sure that they ARE aware.

Luckily, I never claimed they were

So let me ask you this: if it's okay for gay men that ARE attracted to men, to shower with men; then why isn't it okay for straight men who are attracted to women, to shower with women?

I would like to know your honest response to that.

Partly because gender-segregated bathrooms/showers lend themselves to the idea that there are two genders, and that those two genders are based on one's current physical embodiment.

What have I said that's oppressive? So for me to say that I don't agree with homosexuality, that's "oppressive"?

So if I don't agree with someone smoking cigarettes, I'm all of a sudden "oppressing" them?

I said this thread upholds oppressive, socially constructed standards of behavior. In other words, you're supporting stereotypes. If you say you're uncomfortable with homosexuality, that's fine, but if you try to suggest that homosexuals behave a certain way because they are homosexuals, that's oppressive; and this thread supports the stereotype that gay men have an uncontrollable, predatory lust for straight men

 

[Just like bruddas]

I seen him kiss his bf or whatever, but the part that got me is even gay black athletes don't want shyt to do loving black people