Seattle's heroin problem and it literally being swept away disgusts me

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Candidates Need Answers to New Hampshire's Heroin Crisis

Sen. Kelly Ayotte, R-N.H., took the Senate floor Tuesday afternoon to tell personal stories about lives lost due to the heroin use and abuse in her home state. Ayotte said that in the city of Manchester alone, there have been more than 27,000 grams seized in 2015, a terrifying increase from the more than 1,300 grams in all of the past calendar year.

New Hampshire is home, as a state, to less than 1.4 million people, and Macnhester has 100k.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

So where should the line be drawn if that's what you believe?

Should only cancer patients or people who had spine surgery ect... be getting prescription opioids?

You don't think you're diverting the blame on injured people?

Why not just blame heroin dealers and have America use it's resources to fight the heroin epidemic?

All the money used in the war on drugs to fight marijuana could be used fighting heroin....right?

Federal dollars to fight weed are overstated.

Outside of international trafficking. The dea does not give a shyt about weed.

To your question though, I'm not sure what can be controlled regarding pain killers. The American healthcare systems tendency to treat pain rather than solve causes is a definite factor. As to how to address it...I wish I knew....but I truly believe,

And this is the drive for this thread

I truly believe that WHEN Seattle cares to do anything, they do it.

Every civic and municipal issue you can imagine gets DONE here and gets money thrown at it.

But this.

Only the DAILY CLEANUP gets addressed and funded.

 

[Red Shield]

Actually, the vast majority of Heroin in America comes from Columbia and Mexico

But aren't they getting it from Afghanistan?

I know the Afghan stuff has flooded Russia and some of the euro countries.

 

[Truth200]

@toomanydoses thoughts on this thread?

 

[dennis roadman]

It's very relevant because if high potency oils for a low price were readily available it would be the best alternative to heroin or oxy's.

do you know anything about drugs? (hopefully no, for your own sake, stay away)

opiates are a totally different ballgame. "high potency" oil is child's play

 

[Truth200]

do you know anything about drugs? (hopefully no, for your own sake, stay away)

opiates are a totally different ballgame. "high potency" oil is child's play

I clearly said high potency oil should be tried first before people jump into percocet or oxy's for recreational use.

The people dying from opiates and heroin aren't spine surgery patients in most cases.

Where is the accountability for the young people who pop percocet or oxy's for a good time?

The people dropping dead off this shyt usually don't even have severe injuries for the most part.

 

[toomanydoses]

No it comes from Colombia if its in America. Afgahn dope is the freebase form so people smoke it instead if snorting it. Not gonna do a chemistry lesson but if you care you can look up the difference.

But aren't they getting it from Afghanistan?

I know the Afghan stuff has flooded Russia and some of the euro countries.

Most cities don't care about heroin use. For about a century its been viewed as the worst drug and its users as immoral people. To be fair its not up to a city to care though, they can only be reactionary as they're the points of consumption. What could Seattle do on its own to change anything?
We need to change the laws around methadone clinics specifically methadone not being able to be prescribed for addiction in a private DRs office, the laws restricting their locations, and allowing for different chemicals to be prescribed as a substitutes (a la prescribed heroin).
Heroin use is on the rise because the govt turned a blind eye to the prescription drug epidemic, its immoral to turn around and arrest the people who move on to heroin.

Heroin isn't more potent than pharmaceuticals, as an addict myself I'd rather take pills than dope because its regulated. The studies show it costs pennies to treat an addict with dope as opposed to the criminal solution.

Drug use should be viewed as a medical problem. Heroin is used by about .4-.6% of the population. Painkillers are about 1.4%. We have a MAJOR pharma problem, this heroin use spike is because of this. Instead of attacking the most vulnerable why not help them? Seems like the humane thing to do.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

Heroin use is on the rise because the govt turned a blind eye to the prescription drug epidemic, its immoral to turn around and arrest the people who move on to heroin

On point

 

[Serious]

No it comes from Colombia if its in America. Afgahn dope is the freebase form so people smoke it instead if snorting it. Not gonna do a chemistry lesson but if you care you can look up the difference.



Most cities don't care about heroin use. For about a century its been viewed as the worst drug and its users as immoral people. To be fair its not up to a city to care though, they can only be reactionary as they're the points of consumption. What could Seattle do on its own to change anything?
We need to change the laws around methadone clinics specifically methadone not being able to be prescribed for addiction in a private DRs office, the laws restricting their locations, and allowing for different chemicals to be prescribed as a substitutes (a la prescribed heroin).
Heroin use is on the rise because the govt turned a blind eye to the prescription drug epidemic, its immoral to turn around and arrest the people who move on to heroin.

Heroin isn't more potent than pharmaceuticals, as an addict myself I'd rather take pills than dope because its regulated. The studies show it costs pennies to treat an addict with dope as opposed to the criminal solution.

Drug use should be viewed as a medical problem. Heroin is used by about .4-.6% of the population. Painkillers are about 1.4%. We have a MAJOR pharma problem, this heroin use spike is because of this. Instead of attacking the most vulnerable why not help them? Seems like the humane thing to do.

I never understood the process of sentencing addicts to jail / prison time where they can still, rather easily get their hands on vices, when in reality they need treatment, rehab, and supervision to help them outgrow their internal and physiological cravings. Instead of for-profit prisons, how come these greedy fukks in washington and other entrepreneurs, haven't shifted to for-profit rehab facilities, where they can still exploit people undergoing rehab, by at least disguising their mischievous intentions; under the false pretenses of exploiting labor for low cost and charging the state(tax payers), for the occupation of an addicts time(keeping them busy and their mind off drugs), in attempt to omit relapses....

 

[Broke Wave]

But aren't they getting it from Afghanistan?

I know the Afghan stuff has flooded Russia and some of the euro countries.

Nope, its grown in columbia and mexico

 

[Majestyx]

and i was contemplating moving there

 

[Truth200]

Heroin use is on the rise because the govt turned a blind eye to the prescription drug epidemic, its immoral to turn around and arrest the people who move on to heroin.

Is that the same reason Heroin was so big in the 80's & 90's?

 

[toomanydoses]

Is that the same reason Heroin was so big in the 80's & 90's?

Heroin was VERY popular in the 30s-70s because of the mafias connection (is french connection, the pizza connection, etc) to the European underworld. It wasn't the only drug they pushed but it was by far their biggest money maker.

In the 70s cocaine overtook heroin because of the availability. Just like meth is on the rise now.its all about availability in black markets. Also heroin is around 80-100 stacks a brick so its extremely expensive, why ship a kilo of blow wholesale from Colombia for 3500 a brick when you can get 35000 for the same size package? It's all about what the cartels push the hardest. Most addicts are poly drug abusers and use what they can that day, that's how multiple drug habits start in the first place.
Lastly heroin has 4 grades that denote its chemical make up, 1 being the least processed form and 4 being "china white" pure hcl dope. The forms vary widely across America allowing for coexisting markets. Tar heroin has like 20 different opiates in it as its not processed very far so some ppl like that more than typical powder no 4 dope. This allows more dealers and more product in a given area so of course the cartels would love it.

Sorry for the long answer tldr: I never knew heroin was popular in the 80s, its always around but cocaine by far supplanted the heroin trade with the rise of ready rock.

I'll look up some articles to learn more about the trade in that period.

 

[toomanydoses]

Well its not that easy to shift policy as radically as you suggest. The biggest thing society can do to change the attitude twords drugs is to start looking at addiction as a medical issue instead of a moral one. I don't suffer from moral deficiency I suffer from chemical dependence. The only times morals come into it is when i don't have a fix as in how will I make the money to get it.

Nobody would deny that (that's educated at least) so that alone shows if you gave addicts dope that the how will I get my next is thrown out the window and now they can focus on family and work instead of their addiction and getting funds to fuel it.

But the next question that will logically come from that is: Is it moral to give an addict their DOC (drug of choice)? How would you answer that?

I never understood the process of sentencing addicts to jail / prison time where they can still, rather easily get their hands on vices, when in reality they need treatment, rehab, and supervision to help them outgrow their internal and physiological cravings. Instead of for-profit prisons, how come these greedy fukks in washington and other entrepreneurs, haven't shifted to for-profit rehab facilities, where they can still exploit people undergoing rehab, by at least disguising their mischievous intentions; under the false pretenses of exploiting labor for low cost and charging the state(tax payers), for the occupation of an addicts time(keeping them busy and their mind off drugs), in attempt to omit relapses....

 

[unit321]

It takes a certain level of immorality and indifference for those who run a city to ignore an exponential and visually obvious heroin epidemic and explosion during an economic BOOM where billions upon billions of public funds are beig spent on tunnels and bridges with no TRUE NEED.

Seattle is disgusting.

Two weeks ago I looked it my office window and saw two people on the phone and a guy face down in a puddle of water. He looks fukkin dead. Nobody reacts besides one tourist. An ambulance ckmes and they haphazardly pull him out of the water. They have absolutely no urgency (note...I just walked over vomit as I'm typing this) and they are just slappig his face and kind of trying to get a pulse. Eventually his legs kick. They call a A REAL ambulance
..(ones with real doctors) and they get him awake. The doctors and ems are crackin jokes....I give them a bit of a pass because THIS IS business as usual. Eventually they find the needle which almost cost him his life.

I lived in metro Detroit and was born up in gary Indiana. Never before have I seen dopefiends just being accepted next to tourists and needles as regular as cigarette butts in the morning. It's truly some other shyt.

Seattle's Heroin Use Through The Eyes of Street Sweepers


500% increase in two years?!?!


Heroin deaths spike by 58 percent in Seattle area



Seattle dying but nobody gives a fukk because we gotta build more multiuse in South lake Union.

Is any place in America this indifferent to a clear and present danger?

As long as they create laws to support the gay agenda, it doesn't matter.