Self-Segregation: Why It's So Hard for Whites to Understand Ferguson

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To be fair all outsiders have to go on is friends and family, the video(which contradicts friends and family), and his music(which contradicts friends and family).
Your second point still stands, but the perception of Mike brown as a "thug" isn't being conjured up out of nowhere.

This isn't the thread for this discussion thigh, I'm just sayin.

I think he means their analysis isn't objective and when they say he's a criminal or a thug it's from a very "this" or "that" perspective. They don't want to understand the situation in its entirety.

 

[OG_StankBrefs]

i agree 100%... many white people have sacrificed everything they have up to and including their very lives to help build a society that judges people by the content of their character and not the color of their skin.... it may not be said enough, but black people like me appreciate those sacrifices... i will say this, whites need to engage other white people and help them to understand why we all need to come together to support productive citizens no matter their race... it's not enough just to tell black people that all white people aren't racist, you need to tell white people all blacks aren't useless thugs....

welcome to the fight...

 

[Lifer11]

i agree 100%... many white people have sacrificed everything they have up to and including their very lives to help build a society that judges people by the content of their character and not the color of their skin.... it may not be said enough, but black people like me appreciate those sacrifices... i will say this, whites need to engage other white people and help them to understand why we all need to come together to support productive citizens no matter their race... it's not enough just to tell black people that all white people aren't racist, you need to tell white people all blacks aren't useless thugs....

welcome to the fight...

I agree and believe me I have and continue to do so, and I plan to take a much more proactive approach in the future. I used to have debates with my grandfather when I was a little kid and I saw a drastic change over the years in his approach. He was never a full on racist because he had friends of all races, but there was a slight prejudice that I like to think I helped him overcome over the years, same with many of my friends, but that's an on going battle.

I hope I gain the courage to take a stand and really take on a public role in helping our society to move past this. Especially with how messed up things are all around, if it continues to get worse, as it appears it will, it is going to be imperative that the middle and lower classes, and really anyone with the heart and conviction to join in on the cause, work together to help society overcome the challenges we currently and will continue to face.

 

[DEAD7]

I think he means their analysis isn't objective and when they say he's a criminal or a thug it's from a very "this" or "that" perspective. They don't want to understand the situation in its entirety.

Oh, absolutely, I'm just saying based on the information available that conclusion can be reached biased or not.
... and I completely agree that white people see black people through negatively shaded lenses.

 

[No1]

I'm white and not only do I completely understand the outrage, I'm outraged as well.

Look man, I have a lot of friends who are white, heck after college, MOST of my friends might be white. Many of them do get it and are outraged. They can more articulately state the problem than black people in many instances. But this whole "it's more of a poverty issue" thing is something that needs to stop. I'm sick and tired of that immediate shift to make it a more universal message without first addressing the tenents that are specifically geared towards black people. Secondly, your anecdote about it being more about older white people is wrong. Younger people do not have the same racist biases as older people, but they still fundamentally do not understand racism. There was an article out a couple of months ago about how the millenial generation hates racism, but actually doesn't understand racism. THey think racism is a white guy in a KKK hoodie when the most dangerous forms of racism are covert and embedded into the fabric of society.

I truly do believe that there are severe class issues, but those issues intertwine with race and until you bridge that gap in understanding then there is no hope for creating this desired "class" of people who realize they are being wronged. Furthermore, all members of the class are not affected the same way. If I fought for higher wages tomorrow that would not change the fact that employers have negative attitudes towards Black Americans. It would not change the way police act towards black americans. It would not change the lack of representation of people of color in different roles in the media. It would not change the fact that black people are underrepresented in positions of power, etc. It would not change the fact that poor white people hold anti-black attitudes and have held them for a really long time. Working together to accomplish certain goals (labor unions) has not eliminated that. One does not have to be racist to allow a racist system to perpetuate itself. And we do not defeat racism by dodging and pretending that there are not specific problems in society that disproportionately weigh on poor black and latino peoples.

@Brady Hoke's Artery

 

[DEAD7]

Why is it so hard for c00n ass c00ns to join the rest of society and start acting like civilized people?

Stop acting like monkeys and you will stop being treated like monkeys.

You made an account to post this garbage?

IP check please.

 

[NZA]

class is always a real issue, but black people must carry both class and race. race is not merely class disguised as something else, it is a caste system that we must deal with. poor white people are still treated better than middle class black people by law enforcement and employers.

i totally want unity and i understand that we have white allies and poor white people face all the challenges that class bring, but lets not get carried away. race is a separate issue that has to be addressed specifically or we will never solve this problem. black people have to face forces that make us disproportionately more poor, so you then end up with a whole underclass that is hit with the double whammy of race and class. to deny the unique situation black people face is actually cruel, even if done with good intentions.

most white people know a little more than they let on, they usually just dont care or at worst, actually want a certain buffer between themselves and the absolute bottom of society.

 

[Lifer11]

Look man, I have a lot of friends who are white, heck after college, MOST of my friends might be white. Many of them do get it and are outraged. They can more articulately state the problem than black people in many instances. But this whole "it's more of a poverty issue" thing is something that needs to stop. I'm sick and tired of that immediate shift to make it a more universal message without first addressing the tenents that are specifically geared towards black people. Secondly, your anecdote about it being more about older white people is wrong. Younger people do not have the same racist biases as older people, but they still fundamentally do not understand racism. There was an article out a couple of months ago about how the millenial generation hates racism, but actually doesn't understand racism. THey think racism is a white guy in a KKK hoodie when the most dangerous forms of racism are covert and embedded into the fabric of society.

I truly do believe that there are severe class issues, but those issues intertwine with race and until you bridge that gap in understanding then there is no hope for creating this desired "class" of people who realize they are being wronged. Furthermore, all members of the class are not affected the same way. If I fought for higher wages tomorrow that would not change the fact that employers have negative attitudes towards Black Americans. It would not change the way police act towards black americans. It would not change the lack of representation of people of color in different roles in the media. It would not change the fact that black people are underrepresented in positions of power, etc. It would not change the fact that poor white people hold anti-black attitudes and have held them for a really long time. Working together to accomplish certain goals (labor unions) has not eliminated that. One does not have to be racist to allow a racist system to perpetuate itself. And we do not defeat racism by dodging and pretending that there are not specific problems in society that disproportionately weigh on poor black and latino peoples.

@Brady Hoke's Artery

When I said it is more prevalent among older people I was referring to my neighborhood, not all around the country or even my own city, just my neighborhood, which is absolutely true, like I stated if you drive by my local playground you'll see kids of all races hanging out, I promise you that. And yes I agree about people not fully understanding racism, I know people who say they're not racist, who will then say something racist, and to complicate things even more they're friends with people of all races.

Also my comment on the whole "rich vs poor" as opposed to "white vs black" is really to address an even larger issue, which is becoming more and more apparent on the institutional level where our government is ignoring our rights, and taking away our liberty in the name of safety, and it's going to take people of all races working together to overcome this tyranny. The media, the government, intelligence agencies, and the super rich work together to exploit our differences in order to divide us, and ensure that we stay pre-occupied fighting each other, instead of uniting to take down the old outdated institutions that continue to perpetuate these policies, biases, stereotypes, etc.

At the end of the day you and I most likely have much more in common than either one of us has with Bill Clinton or Obama..

I know that America is a white supremacist country, especially towards black people, and believe me I am not even beginning to act like I understand the oppression and worse that the black community has faced and continues to face, or downplaying it, just trying to convey that people of all races that come from underprivileged backgrounds have dealt with oppression, have been looked down on, and have been unjustly harassed by police, etc.

To your point about a person not having to be racist to allow a racist system to perpetuate itself I totally agree, I forget who said it and I'm paraphrasing but, "all it takes for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing", and that is why I said in my last post that I hope I gain the courage to take a public stand and help fight these injustices.

 

[Lifer11]

Look man, I have a lot of friends who are white, heck after college, MOST of my friends might be white. Many of them do get it and are outraged. They can more articulately state the problem than black people in many instances. But this whole "it's more of a poverty issue" thing is something that needs to stop. I'm sick and tired of that immediate shift to make it a more universal message without first addressing the tenents that are specifically geared towards black people. Secondly, your anecdote about it being more about older white people is wrong. Younger people do not have the same racist biases as older people, but they still fundamentally do not understand racism. There was an article out a couple of months ago about how the millenial generation hates racism, but actually doesn't understand racism. THey think racism is a white guy in a KKK hoodie when the most dangerous forms of racism are covert and embedded into the fabric of society.

I truly do believe that there are severe class issues, but those issues intertwine with race and until you bridge that gap in understanding then there is no hope for creating this desired "class" of people who realize they are being wronged. Furthermore, all members of the class are not affected the same way. If I fought for higher wages tomorrow that would not change the fact that employers have negative attitudes towards Black Americans. It would not change the way police act towards black americans. It would not change the lack of representation of people of color in different roles in the media. It would not change the fact that black people are underrepresented in positions of power, etc. It would not change the fact that poor white people hold anti-black attitudes and have held them for a really long time. Working together to accomplish certain goals (labor unions) has not eliminated that. One does not have to be racist to allow a racist system to perpetuate itself. And we do not defeat racism by dodging and pretending that there are not specific problems in society that disproportionately weigh on poor black and latino peoples.

@Brady Hoke's Artery

When I said it is more prevalent among older people I was referring to my neighborhood, not all around the country or even my own city, just my neighborhood, which is absolutely true, like I stated if you drive by my local playground you'll see kids of all races hanging out, I promise you that. And yes I agree about people not fully understanding racism, I know people who say they're not racist, who will then say something racist, and to complicate things even more they're friends with people of all races.

Also my comment on the whole "rich vs poor" as opposed to "white vs black" is really to address an even larger issue, which is becoming more and more apparent on the institutional level where our government is ignoring our rights, and taking away our liberty in the name of safety, and it's going to take people of all races working together to overcome this tyranny. The media, the government, intelligence agencies, and the super rich work together to exploit our differences in order to divide us, and ensure that we stay pre-occupied fighting each other, instead of uniting to take down the old outdated institutions that continue to perpetuate these policies, biases, stereotypes, etc.

At the end of the day you and I most likely have much more in common than either one of us has with Bill Clinton or Obama..

I know that America is a white supremacist country, especially towards black people, and believe me I am not even beginning to act like I understand the oppression and worse that the black community has faced and continues to face, or downplaying it, just trying to convey that people of all races that come from underprivileged backgrounds have dealt with oppression, have been looked down on, and have been unjustly harassed by police, etc.

To your point about a person not having to be racist to allow a racist system to perpetuate itself I totally agree, I forget who said it and I'm paraphrasing but, "all it takes for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing", and that is why I said in my last post that I hope I gain the courage to take a public stand and help fight these injustices.

 

[KOohbt]

I was just talking to a white friend. He completely understands. White people just don't like us. Plain and simple. Generally speaking.

 

[Real N Quotes]

Incarceration of Black Men is Big Business in Amerikkka

A Black President Cannot Change That

There needs to be more black men becoming police officers in minority communities and the community has to fighting back against the stop snitching campaigns of the low life elements.

 

[Yapdatfool]

Incarceration of Black Men is Big Business in Amerikkka

A Black President Cannot Change That

There needs to be more black men becoming police officers in minority communities and the community has to fighting back against the stop snitching campaigns of the low life elements.

We'll also need to fight back against the stop snitching campaigns of the police as well. I'm sure the cops are more illegally involved with those low lives than they would have you believe.

You are right, crime is big business that whites benefit from, what a surprise they benefit from gov't money propping up small towns with prisons.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Oh, absolutely, I'm just saying based on the information available that conclusion can be reached biased or not.
... and I completely agree that white people see black people through negatively shaded lenses.

If smoking weed, petty theft, and listening to rap music makes a kid a "thug" then 99% of American kids are thugs

 

[No1]

I was just talking to a white friend. He completely understands. White people just don't like us. Plain and simple. Generally speaking.

I wouldn't go this far.

 

[DEAD7]

If smoking weed, petty theft, and listening to rap music makes a kid a "thug" then 99% of American kids are thugs

Strong arm robbery...and not listening to rap, he was a rapper, and the content of his music, sways opinion on him






and to be completely honest, I personally think people who steal are complete scumbags but that's just my opinion. I hate thieves.