Sen. Paul’s BELIEVE Act Raises Skilled Immigration Without Tradeoffs

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I really, really don't like this bill.

On one hand, it is trying to cover up failures in our own education system by importing upper-class Indians and Chinese. We talk about not having enough jobs, yet we fail to educate enough doctors, nurses, engineers, programmers, etc., mostly because we ain't getting hardly any from the inner cities and rural areas. So work on getting THAT fixed.

Second, it would result in a huge flood of high-class Indian entries, which will cause a massive brain drain in that country. Something like 1/2 of Indian doctors have applied for a foreign visa. They have a massive population of poor people with health issues and very few doctors. I was hearing stats like a state with 8,000,000 people only has 8 psychiatrists total, another state with 200,000,000 people only has 140 psychiatrists. If even 10% of the population needs some sort of psychiatric help, that's 100,000 patients per doctor. So 99% of people don't get the help them need.

We don't need to drain all the resources from the poor people in the rest of the world. This is a really bad idea.

the usa has always brain drained from the rest of the world without building up it's own citizens: yeshrug:

Also I don't think any of the Chinese would care about staying here long term. The Indians would tho..


But yikes on those India stats
 

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as long as upper management stays white.. I doubt those ws will care too much :patrice:


Au contraire

Our last ciso was Indians and Indians are rapidly climbing up and taking over upper management jobs


We are porting over another countries upper class to further crush our own existing middle class

This will be a disaster for everyone involved
 

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On one hand, it is trying to cover up failures in our own education system by importing upper-class Indians and Chinese. We talk about not having enough jobs, yet we fail to educate enough doctors, nurses, engineers, programmers, etc., mostly because we ain't getting hardly any from the inner cities and rural areas. So work on getting THAT fixed.
How does government fix that?
Indians and chinese will continue to take jobs and there's nothing the american govt can do about it because its not a job issue it's a cultural issue.
The culture in india is family, study, family, study, family, study and so on. The entire culture in india is all about family and education.
And with china i'm not sure about the family part but i think it's more education and business.
Chinese kids get that WORK on them, education is a massive part of everyday culture within the household and outside.

In america it is not, it's gaming, fukkin, music, weed, IG etc....
 

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Au contraire

Our last ciso was Indians and Indians are rapidly climbing up and taking over upper management jobs


We are porting over another countries upper class to further crush our own existing middle class

This will be a disaster for everyone involved

Quite a few executives and ceos... but upper management in this country is still pretty much white.


But I do see what you're saying
 

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How does government fix that?
Indians and chinese will continue to take jobs and there's nothing the american govt can do about it because its not a job issue it's a cultural issue.
The culture in india is family, study, family, study, family, study and so on. The entire culture in india is all about family and education.
And with china i'm not sure about the family part but i think it's more education and business.
Chinese kids get that WORK on them, education is a massive part of everyday culture within the household and outside.

In america it is not, it's gaming, fukkin, music, weed, IG etc....

This is nonsense.

America's problem is that while the chinese and indians are prioritizing science and technology in primary and secondary learning, the US has largely has a very primitive approach to the education system.

Teaching has not evolved.
 

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On top of the fact that the indians and chinese coming over here would be the equivalent of a mass exodus of upper middle and upper class americans leaving to go elsewhere
 

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The White Supremacist of the Republican Party been beating the drum about brown foreigners taking jobs to ever get this through.



Who says they'd come from there? He been making trips to Russia etc right?

They also been trying to get the Russian babies over here for "adoption".


Everything they're doing right now is to preserve a clear white majority in the country. See everything from the Census to the wall, to changing Asylum etc etc etc......It's not immigration, it's keeping the color where it is and fighting nature.
 

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Who says they'd come from there? He been making trips to Russia etc right?

They also been trying to get the Russian babies over here for "adoption".


Everything they're doing right now is to preserve a clear white majority in the country. See everything from the Census to the wall, to changing Asylum etc etc etc......It's not immigration, it's keeping the color where it is and fighting nature.

Adoptions from one nation isn’t enough to offset an entire population of a larger nation. Plus the more educated, the less children people have. Poor white Americans aren’t adopting kids and rich ones aren’t adopting ten.

Russia isn’t sending its dwindling population in mass numbers. Especially not the educated ones.

As for the rest of Europe, why would they want to leave their socialist(bad according to Republicans) countries for backbreaking 40+ hrs with skyrocketed healthcare and few worker protections? Especially in a digital world.
 

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Adoptions from one nation isn’t enough to offset an entire population of a larger nation. Plus the more educated, the less children people have. Poor white Americans aren’t adopting kids and rich ones aren’t adopting ten.

Russia isn’t sending its dwindling population in mass numbers. Especially not the educated ones.

As for the rest of Europe, why would they want to leave their socialist(bad according to Republicans) countries for backbreaking 40+ hrs with skyrocketed healthcare and few worker protections? Especially in a digital world.


I know all that lol. Really was more sarcasm than anything. Dwindling populations all around and the desperation is wild.
 

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It is not the least bit true that India's education system has evolved past ours. India has a remarkably primitive system built around a bad version of early 1900s British norms. They scored 3rd from last in the one PISA evaluation they participated in despite only using students from two of the better-performing states. I've been in some of those schools - the typical top-line private school there has inferior pedagogy to an average US public school.

The issue is that even just the top 5% of India's population would be 60 million people. And the currency difference is so huge that even the lowest paid doctor/programmer here makes a fortune compared to the top over there. So even if just 10% of their top 5% came here, that's 6 million people.

Which, like I said, would be a tremendous resource drain for them and a continued failure to promote our own Black and Brown people to those jobs over here.
 

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Liberals: Immigrants are great for our country!

Also liberals: There will be too much smart brown people in this country if that passes!:damn:


Just pure stupidity. I'm having a hard time even articulating how stupid liberals are nowadays.

I can't tell if you're being disingenuous or just are that shallow,

I said NOWHERE that it would be bad for our country or lead to "too many smart brown people."

I said it would be bad for THEIR countries, evidences a failure and avoidance of getting our own Black and Brown folk educated to fill those positions, and is a form of pay-to-play political pandering.
 

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Liberals: Immigrants are great for our country!

Also liberals: There will be too much smart brown people in this country if that passes!:damn:


Just pure stupidity. I'm having a hard time even articulating how stupid liberals are nowadays.


Ironic coming from a cracker
 
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