September 13th Saul Alvarez vs Terence Crawford on NETFLIX

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

Canelo struggles with Postal, Mean Machine, and Madrimov IMO

And Madrimov fights nothing like Golovkin breh, like at all lol. I'm guessing you got that comparison because their both from similar countries? Madrimov fights way more like Bivol. The same guy who beat Canelo easily

Postol and mean machine both get dominated by canelo. Like 12-0 late stoppage type domination. They don't have the pop or the defense to last against canelo. Canelo never struggled with the euro style of fighting until he fought bivol who just had way too much size on him. Canelo is a completely different level than both.

And I'm not seeing the comparison with madrimov and bivol. Bivol has way better footwork and a way more dynamic offense. Way better defense as well. Virgil ortiz exposed how one dimensional madrimov was. Madrimov and bivol aren't even remotely close in skill level. If Virgil ortiz was able to outbox and hurt madrimov numerous times then just imagine what canelo would do to him. Unless you think Virgil ortiz is a better fighter than canelo .....canelo would have zero issues with madrimov. Canelo's defense is really what sets him apart from most guys. And I think that's why why bud can get into dog fights with guys he shouldn't. Defensively he tends to let himself get reckless too much. Where canelo stays disciplined pretty much all 12 rounds. Madrimov, postol, and mean machine would barely even be able to touch canelo in the first place.

 

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vergil beat him easier than bud but canelo would struggle with madrimov lol and mean machine cmon man stop it imagine guys like mosley, oscar, tito, winky they all wouldve retired undefeated with buds resume shyt even b level guys like mayorga might

 

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Postol and mean machine both get dominated by canelo. Like 12-0 late stoppage type domination. They don't have the pop or the defense to last against canelo. Canelo never struggled with the euro style of fighting until he fought bivol who just had way too much size on him. Canelo is a completely different level than both.

And I'm not seeing the comparison with madrimov and bivol. Bivol has way better footwork and a way more dynamic offense. Way better defense as well. Virgil ortiz exposed how one dimensional madrimov was. Madrimov and bivol aren't even remotely close in skill level. If Virgil ortiz was able to outbox and hurt madrimov numerous times then just imagine what canelo would do to him. Unless you think Virgil ortiz is a better fighter than canelo .....canelo would have zero issues with madrimov. Canelo's defense is really what sets him apart from most guys. And I think that's why why bud can get into dog fights with guys he shouldn't. Defensively he tends to let himself get reckless too much. Where canelo stays disciplined pretty much all 12 rounds. Madrimov, postol, and mean machine would barely even be able to touch canelo in the first place.

For the 1st bolded. Postol, the same guy who stopped Matthysse? Mean Machine doesn't have the pop? Have you watched a fight from Mean Machine?


For the 2nd bolded. That's not the fight I saw at all. I saw Vergil Ortiz at the beginning of the fight trying to KO Madrimov to make a statement, felt his power, and decided to play it safe by banking in rounds with just body shots and a couple right hands here and there

Madrimov was the main sparring partner for Bivol when he beat Canelo. They come from the same school of fighting back in their country. Also, his trainer Joel Diaz was the same exact trainer that helped him to get ready for his win against Canelo. Comparing him to GGG was kind of funny, you gotta admit

And Madrimov has very very good footwork, that is his main attribute, you sure you watched a Madrimov fight besides Crawford breh?

 

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For the 1st bolded. Mean Machine doesn't have the pop? Have you watched a fight from Mean Machine?


For the 2nd bolded. That's not the fight I saw at all. I saw Vergil Ortiz at the beginning of the fight trying to KO Madrimov to make a statement, felt his power, and decided to play it safe my banking in rounds with just body shots and a couple right hands here and there

Madrimov was the main sparring partner for Bivol when he beat Canelo. They come from the same school of fighting back in their country. Also, his trainer Joel Diaz was the same exact trainer that helped him to get ready for his win against Canelo. Comparing him to GGG was kind of funny
And Madrimov has very very good footwork, that is his main attribute, you sure you watched a Madrimov fight besides Crawford breh?

Mean machine doesn't have any sort of pop that canelo hasn't already felt. Why are we talking about mean machine in the first place?....he doesn't even belong in same conversation as canelo. He got knocked out by bud and Ortiz but somehow he's gonna give canelo a tough fight …..who has mean machine ever beat to get this type of respect?.....canelo would dog walk that boy and take zero damage in the process.


And the fact that madrimov was the main sparring partner that bivol used for canelo should tell you that him and bivol are nothing alike. Why would bivol use somebody who fights exactly like him to prepare for canelo?....makes zero sense. If anything bivol used him to mimic canelo's style if anything.

And I didn't say madrimov doesn't have good footwork. But it's nowhere near bivols. Neither is his offense or defense. Bivol would dominate a fighter of Virgil ortiz's caliber. Madrimov has never been in the same league as bivol or canelo. We're just overrating him now because he gave bud a tough fight. But like I said. Virgil exposed how one dimensional he was. He never made any type of adjustments. Just kept coming forward hoping to land a lucky punch. Everybody thought it was gonna be the other way around, but madrimov got his ears boxed off. Imagine a fighter who lost the jab battle to Virgil Ortiz 60-30 being compared to Dimitry bivol ......bivol won the jab war against artur beterbiev in two straight fights who's a much more dangerous fighter than ortiz. Bivol and Madrimov are nowhere close to eachother. Madrimov has nothing for canelo at all. Dude would take a life altering beating.

 

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Mean machine doesn't have any sort of pop that canelo hasn't already felt. Why are we talking about mean machine in the first place?....he doesn't even belong in same conversation as canelo. He got knocked out by bud and Ortiz but somehow he's gonna give canelo a tough fight …..who has mean machine ever beat to get this type of respect?.....canelo would dog walk that boy and take zero damage in the process.


And the fact that madrimov was the main sparring partner that bivol used for canelo should tell you that him and bivol are nothing alike. Why would bivol use somebody who fights exactly like him to prepare for canelo?....makes zero sense. If anything bivol used him to mimic canelo's style if anything.

And I didn't say madrimov doesn't have good footwork. But it's nowhere near bivols. Neither is his offense or defense. Bivol would dominate a fighter of Virgil ortiz's caliber. Madrimov has never been in the same league as bivol or canelo. We're just overrating him now because he gave bud a tough fight. But like I said. Virgil exposed how one dimensional he was. He never made any type of adjustments. Just kept coming forward hoping to land a lucky punch. Everybody thought it was gonna be the other way around, but madrimov got his ears boxed off. Imagine a fighter who lost the jab battle to Virgil Ortiz 60-30 being compared to Dimitry bivol ......bivol won the jab war against artur beterbiev in two straight fights who's a much more dangerous fighter than ortiz. Bivol and Madrimov are nowhere close to eachother. Madrimov has nothing for canelo at all. Dude would take a life altering beating.

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For the 2nd bolded. That's not the fight I saw at all. I saw Vergil Ortiz at the beginning of the fight trying to KO Madrimov to make a statement, felt his power, and decided to play it safe by banking in rounds with just body shots and a couple right hands here and there

I literally just said that lol. Was going for the KO, felt Madrimov's power and decided to play it safe to get a 12 round decision

1. First Mean Machine doesn't have pop, now he "doesn't have pop that Canelo hasn't felt" lol
2. First Madrimov has basic footwork, now "yeah he has good footwork but nowhere near as Bivol" lol
3. "Bivol would dominate someone of Vergil Ortiz's caliber". Duh, he's Bivol lol. I said Madrimov fights like Bivol, not that HE IS Bivol

4. "What has Mean Machine or Postol done to garner that respect". The same 0 respect Bivol got prior to the Canelo fight when people thought Canelo would steamroll him, until it became a cherry pick gone wrong. Ironic isn't it lol

 

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I literally just said that lol. Was going for the KO, felt Madrimov's power and decided to play it safe to get a 12 round decision

1. First Mean Machine doesn't have pop, now he "doesn't have pop that Canelo hasn't felt" lol
2. First Madrimov has basic footwork, now "yeah he has good footwork but nowhere near as Bivol" lol
3. "Bivol would dominate someone of Vergil Ortiz's caliber". Duh, he's Bivol lol. I said Madrimov fights like Bivol, not that HE IS Bivol

4. "What has Mean Machine or Postol done to garner that respect". The same 0 respect Bivol got prior to the Canelo fight when people thought Canelo would steamroll him, until it became a cherry pick gone wrong. Ironic isn't it lol

1. It's the same concept. In order to make canelo hesitant you gotta have the type of pop that makes him nervous. If Golovkin and kovalev didn't have the pop to make canelo nervous then mean machine sure as hell doesn't. On top of that, he doesn't even have the boxing ability or athleticism to outbox canelo. That's easy work for canelo. He wouldn't even win a round.

2. Please show me where I said madrimov has "basic" footwork. I just said bivol has way better footwork. Which is an undeniable truth.

4. And that's not true. Are you seriously telling me that before bivol fought canelo he was viewed the same way as mean machine?.....come on now. You know that's not true. Going into that canelo fight bivol was already considered top 2 at 175. It was just him and beterbiev at that point. Mean machine was never considered as one of the best. And he didn't deserve to be. He's done nothing in his career to believe he could give canelo any type of problems. Not before bud and not after bud.

 

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1. It's the same concept. In order to make canelo hesitant you gotta have the type of pop that makes him nervous. If Golovkin and kovalev didn't have the pop to make canelo nervous then mean machine sure as hell doesn't. On top of that, he doesn't even have the boxing ability or athleticism to outbox canelo. That's easy work for canelo. He wouldn't even win a round.

2. Please show me where I said madrimov has "basic" footwork. I just said bivol has way better footwork. Which is an undeniable truth.

4. And that's not true. Are you seriously telling me that before bivol fought canelo he was viewed the same way as mean machine?.....come on now. You know that's not true. Going into that canelo fight bivol was already considered top 2 at 175. It was just him and beterbiev at that point. Mean machine was never considered as one of the best. And he didn't deserve to be. He's done nothing in his career to believe he could give canelo any type of problems. Not before bud and not after bud.

Breh I think you're forgetting it was YOU who brought up that "Canelo will beat Crawford's opponents with no problem" when all of Crawford's opponents are in a different weight class than Canelo. Now you're discounting the opponents giving Canelo a competitive fight because they are in a different weight class

I wish Crawford was able to have "Resume filler" fights of past their best champions with a name like Cotto, Shane Mosely, Kovalev, etc like Canelo did. Then maybe his resume will get more respect, but such is life

 

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Breh I think you're forgetting it was YOU who brought up that "Canelo will beat Crawford's opponents with no problem" when all of Crawford's opponents are in a different weight class than Canelo. Now you're discounting the opponents giving Canelo a competitive fight because they are in a different weight class

I wish Crawford was able to have "Resume filler" fights of past their best champions with a name like Cotto, Shane Mosely, Kovalev, etc like Canelo did. Then maybe his resume will get more respect, but such is life

I was responding to somebody else who claimed bud never struggled with guys like canelo has .....like yea. Canelo has fought some truly elite fighters over the years. You can't even compare their competition.

And obviously we're speaking in a hypothetical sense where all these guys are the same weight class. It's not buds fault he didn't come up with great competition. At the same time we can't knock canelo for having more close fights than bud when we know canelo has fought much tougher opponents. It's not a fair comparison to either of em.

 

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I was responding to somebody else who claimed bud never struggled with guys like canelo has .....like yea. Canelo has fought some truly elite fighters over the years. You can't even compare their competition.

And obviously we're speaking in a hypothetical sense where all these guys are the same weight class. It's not buds fault he didn't come up with great competition. At the same time we can't knock canelo for having more close fights than bud when we know canelo has fought much tougher opponents. It's not a fair comparison to either of em.

I'd argue it's more of Canelo having "more names" on his resume than tougher opponents

That is why I mentioned Victor Postol. The same guy people avoided because he stopped Mattysee. I know you probably don't know, but after that fight Freddy Roach who was training Manny commented that Crawford's fight with him made him not want Manny to step in the ring with him, and why Bob Arum also stopped Manny from fighting Crawford. That's why I laugh at fans who talk about resume this, resume that. When it's the coaches, trainers, and promotors who understand how impressive a win is 10x more than any fan can. Most fans only care about names that they see on ESPN or social media

Like I mentioned Shane Mosely, Cotto, Kovalev were great name resume fillers for Canelo but those were not tough opponents as they were old legends. Majority of Canelo's toughest fights are the ones he lost (Floyd, Bivol) or should have lost (1st fight with GGG)

 

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I'd argue it's more of Canelo having "more names" on his resume than tougher opponents

That is why I mentioned Victor Postol. The same guy people avoided because he stopped Mattysee.

Like I mentioned Shane Mosely, Cotto, Kovalev were great name resume fillers for Canelo but those were not tough opponents as they were old legends. Majority of Canelo's toughest fights are the ones he lost (Floyd, Bivol) or should have lost (1st fight with GGG)

Were those same names "resume fillers" for floyd since he fought shane a year after n cotto a couples years after floyd did

 

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Old camp footage, but Crawford has a new YouTube channel.

CannedMelon can't hang with Bud, he looked old and was extremely worried about the counter shot over the top against Sculll.

Bud going to knock him out, heard it here first.

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

Allegiant stadium it is

 

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seeing so many professional opinions that Crawford will win and possibly stop Canelo. They gotta be trolling

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

Allegiant stadium it is

that's all lovely but they better stack the card up!
Make it a memorable Night!

 

[Amor fati]

that's all lovely but they better stack the card up!
Make it a memorable Night!

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