Serge Ibaka is triple ply soft

[p00rky]

Ibaka has been getting worse since Harden has been traded

 

[tremonthustler1]

Asik is a better overall defender and rebounder. It's a wash offensively, though i'd say Asik is a better finisher. Asik costs quite a bit less too. Asik > Ibaka.

That's a fallacy. For a guy who shoots from outside the paint with regularity Ibaka has a higher % than a guy who has no choice but to live inside the paint. McHale's trying to help Asik out on offense, but truth be told, Asik doesn't have much room for growth there outside of a post move or two.

That said, it's disappointing to see Serge decide to go the Bosh route when he was a blank canvas that literally just stayed within 8 feet of the basket when he was developing in Spain. I think he realized he had an OK jumper and got gassed up. He's not exploiting guys like Z-Bo enough with quickness and agility and his jumper isn't so pure that it makes Zach have to chase him down (and even if he did, who's gonna control the paint? Perk?)


Part of why people scoffed at Asik getting what he got from Houston is because he's slow footed AND injury prone, so conceivably, someone like Serge Ibaka should have his way with someone like Asik just by being active.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I put this on Scott Brooks that he didn't mandate either Serge or Durant develop a back-to-the-basket post game.

yeah, the share bulk of the blame is on the coach. its no coincidence, that he hasn't coached westbrook properly how to run an offense either. the thunder have gotten on by talent all this time. cotdamn shame that they aren't utilised properly. if brooks actually had him in the post the majority of the time and he had enough touches each game to get in rhythm and there was a actual effort to keep him involved over an extended period of time... and there wasn't much results or projections of results... then yes shyt on ibaka... but until then...

 

[Regular_P]

Rebounding really don't mean shyt in this discussion at the end of the day. asik isnt a better overall defender. asik may be a better man defender in the post, but everything else ibaka>>>>>>>,

guarding on the perimeter, help, pick and roll. asik's defense is overrated.

a wash offensively????? oh hell no. no way near. asik's offense is non existent besides put backs. he can barely catch the ball.

why do yall need to stretch things to suit your agenda? asik and ibaka aren't a wash offensively.

The numbers suggest otherwise and at a time when OKC desperately needs Ibaka to step up and contribute more on offense, he's fading into the background.

Asik's defense is overrated but Ibaka's isn't? The only thing he has over Asik is weakside shot-blocking. That's it. He's getting abused defensively and on the boards this series, but i guess that doesn't mean shyt at the end of the day, right?

 

[Malcolmxxx_23]

man zbo has no muscle definition and hes abusing this brolic nikka ibaka

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

The numbers suggest otherwise and at a time when OKC desperately needs Ibaka to step up and contribute more on offense, he's fading into the background.

the numbers suggest otheriwse??? you've got to be kidding me? do you watch the games or do you just look at the stats?

ibaka can run the floor better, has better foot work, shot 46% on 460 jumpers, better at finishing at the rim and

10ft - 16 ft = 57% shooting
16ft - 3pt = 46% shooting

there's no way in hell that asik has the same amount of offensive impact.... none. you don't have to reach for ridiculous shyt to make your argument.

Asik's defense is overrated but Ibaka's isn't? The only thing he has over Asik is weakside shot-blocking. That's it. He's getting abused defensively and on the boards this series, but i guess that doesn't mean shyt at the end of the day, right?

did i say ibaka's defense wasn't overrated? in comparison to other elite big defenders, yes ibaka is overrated. but he's still better than asik at defending. only weakside shot blocking? so are you telling me asik is better than ibaka at guarding out on the perimeter?



do you know what you're stating? you're saying the thunder would be better off with a asik/perkins frontcourt.... ..

 

[SubLyminalz]

There's not enough blood flow that makes it up to his brain

 

[AAKing23]

What exactly does Ibaka do better than Asik besides weakside shot-blocking?

I've been sayin that's the only thing this nikka does



Brooks should have him in the post or catching duckins in the paint at all times but yet him and Perkins be on the perimeter shooting damn near 20 footers

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

i wonder if dudes would be shyttin on ibaka if he was on the bulls or the spurs.

 

[Regular_P]

the numbers suggest otheriwse??? you've got to be kidding me? do you watch the games or do you just look at the stats?

ibaka can run the floor better, has better foot work, shot 46% on 460 jumpers, better at finishing at the rim and

10ft - 16 ft = 57% shooting
16ft - 3pt = 46% shooting

there's no way in hell that asik has the same amount of offensive impact.... none. you don't have to reach for ridiculous shyt to make your argument.



did i say ibaka's defense wasn't overrated? in comparison to other elite big defenders, yes ibaka is overrated. but he's still better than asik at defending. only weakside shot blocking? so are you telling me asik is better than ibaka at guarding out on the perimeter?



do you know what you're stating? you're saying the thunder would be better off with a asik/perkins frontcourt.... ..

To start with, they'd be better without Perkins on the floor at all.

Second, yes, they would be better with Asik than Ibaka, because they wouldn't be getting sodomized in the paint as much by Gasol and Z-Bo. Ibaka is not some force in pick and roll defense or on the perimeter. If you're suggesting otherwise, that's a bold-faced lie.

Ibaka has much more talent than Asik, but as far as impact on the court, give me Asik. Dude isn't soft like Ibaka either.

 

[Trojan 24]

Proof that this blessing ain't shyt.

Spoiler

Spoiler

n/h

No Jason Colons,

But after closer examination, I've concluded that Ibaka has a Note 2 in his left pocket.

Thus causing the lighting effect that accentuates his shaft.













I'm hoping.

 

[Premeditated]

well be fair to him. He's made Zbo take some difficult shots. Atleast Zbo's not going off on him like he did with Griffin. Serge is playing some good man on man defense on him He just so happens to make those difficult shot.

Now his rebounding....

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

Ibaka is talented, but he is being led by a dumb and ineffectual coach. Why would they turn a fukking 6ft 10in negroe into a jump shooter?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Second, yes, they would be better with Asik than Ibaka, because they wouldn't be getting sodomized in the paint as much by Gasol and Z-Bo. Ibaka is not some force in pick and roll defense or on the perimeter. If you're suggesting otherwise, that's a bold-faced lie.

For arguments sake, let's say Asik does have more defensive impact than him, what about the offensive end? Asik has virtually no offensive skills: no shooting, no passing ability, no post moves, has trouble with catching basic passes on the regular and 90% of the offense he produces are from put back opportunities/dunks.

That's just another offensive liability the Thunder would have in their starting lineup:

Thabo - averaged 7 points over the regular season
Perkins - averaged 4 points over the regular season

Now you're jumping to your own conclusions, where did I say or allude to that Ibaka was this great PNR defender? The point is, he has a wider arrange of skills defensively than Asik does. If you were to weigh up all the things they did on the defensive end (+ impact), it would be in Ibaka's favor.

Ibaka has much more talent than Asik, but as far as impact on the court, give me Asik. Dude isn't soft like Ibaka either.

You say this, but you haven't giving one piece of evidence to suggest Asik is better on the offensive end.

 

[shakobe]

He workin wit a 9 piece