[Serious] Lets talk seriously here for a minute about this election, voting, and race

Dr. Acula

Hail Hydra
Supporter
Joined
Jul 26, 2012
Messages
26,274
Reputation
8,928
Daps
139,956
Please take time to read and respond seriously.

I added the bracket on serious because I'm speaking from the heart here as if we're family. Removing the politics and simple political disagreement and being serious about ramifications here.

I'm not going to share too many personal details because I still enjoy the anonymity of my online participation but I will share some real anecdotes here. Instead of engaging in snark and one-upmanship that can happen with these types of topics, I want to talk about this seriously.

I have a direct family member who works in a midwesten town that traditionally votes republican. Theyre a doctor. Over the past year or two, as this election progresses there is a noticeable shift in racial incidents and comments being made that are becoming more bold. I will share two.

The first one happened while they were working in an OR case with another surgeon. They were discussing a variety of topics and it happened to circle around to some topic where race suddenly came up. To preface, this family member is black but very light skin (only highlighting the randomness of genetic expression but I digress). Think Mariah Carey and even then this person isn't "mixed race". They had a completely black father and mixed race mother.

Anyways, noting that these individuals were getting too comfortable with their talk, they let them know that they are actually black. Keep in mind they are working on a patient, a baby, at this time under anesthesia. At this point the talk ceased And before this family member had time to respond, he reaches over the table and lifts up their Surgical cap to look at their hair. Completely violating that person's personal space and looking at them like they were some sort of zoo animal and felt completely entitled to put their hands on another person

Since at the time this person was working on a little baby, they didn't want to get into it at that moment and just went back to work. Talk was sparse after this.

Second anecdote, which is more recent. Another case, where they are work with two other doctors. One of the doctors asks the other if they ever heard of chitterlings. The doctor says no. The other doctor proceeds to say yeah I was in line yesterday while these two c00ns were buying them.

Then there is a number of incidents less blantant such as nurses saying "blacks only like shooting each other " and just a variety of other racist shyt.

While these incidents aren't the most egregious examples, I wanted to share them because they are happening with more frequency than before and these incidents are happening to people in my own family. It's not just some distant news story. They aren't the only ones and we all know these incidents always occurred and ideas were always there.

My geniune concern here is that regardless of what you think of the democratic candidate and I agree with a lot of the issues there, I also feel that a lot of this new alt-right and online white rage culture is getting offline validation through Trump. I know I'm not the first to make this argument and I'm geniunely not trying to use "scare tactics" at least as a means to an end context. No I'm completely sincere in what I think is a real actual outcome.

I know there is a segment of cynics out there that view both sides as corrupt and that is fine. However keep this in mind, North Carolina early voting for blacks was hugely hampered by what was determined by the courts to be racist republican legislation. They purposely looked at black districts and cut down the voting times and locations ONLY in their neighborhoods where in one district they only had ONE polling center for the whole black district. This is in part of a Supreme Court decision that no longer requires these southern states to get federal signoff on voting changes. The reasoning being we're past the 60's and these restrictions are no longer needed. Turned out not to be the case here obviously.

On one side you have people actively working to disenfranchise you; on the other negligence. I hate this choice as much as the next man and I understand the desire to see the whole system burn. At the same time, I have geniune anxiety that we're going down a worse path here with one side. It's not an equivalent comparison. Not an issue of what one side will do for black people more than it's what one side will DO TO black people. I don't want a conservative Supreme Court and I don't want these racist pricks to feel a sense of validation in their culture through a Trump win.

I'm not going to browbeat and shame people for not voting. But, if you're like me and for example no longer thinking of yourself but thinking about starting a family and having kids, maybe consider the pragmatic (yes I know some hate this word ) choice here and go out and vote.

I shared these anecdotes because to me, and hopefully I convey to you, that's it's not about fun chaos and joker like mayhem but there are real world consequences at stake. The fact that this happening to people in my family and making me geniunely upset is why I wanted to make this topic.

Again I don't want to browbeat and shame here but think about this issue with an open mind and introspection.
 

ExodusNirvana

Change is inevitable...
Joined
Jun 6, 2012
Messages
41,914
Reputation
9,551
Daps
153,329
Reppin
Brooklyn, NY
First Page space for rent....

No Blacks, Mexicans, Muslims, Syrian Immigrants, Disabled, Non Blonde Women, or former Ms. Universe contestants need apply
full
 

10:31

Superstar
Joined
May 2, 2012
Messages
18,210
Reputation
1,202
Daps
47,483
It's going to be a close race breh

Brace yourself for 2000 election year levels of fukkery

I didn't see the battleground states being this tight 4 days out...

I didn't see NH tightening up or Trump regaining ground in VA

My gut tells me Clinton wins but at this point Trump is gaining a lot of momentum


You're about to see fireworks
 

Dr. Acula

Hail Hydra
Supporter
Joined
Jul 26, 2012
Messages
26,274
Reputation
8,928
Daps
139,956
It's going to be a close race breh

Brace yourself for 2000 election year levels of fukkery

I didn't see the battleground states being this tight 4 days out...

I didn't see NH tightening up or Trump regaining ground in VA

My gut tells me Clinton wins but at this point Trump is gaining a lot of momentum


You're about to see fireworks
What I think is happening is you're just seeing republican who were non committed coming back to the republican nominee.

My biggest concern is that there is a higher unaffiliated turnout this time around and until the ballots are actually counted you have no way of knowing who they voted for. Hillary isn't the most inspiring candidate so that is a negative but hopefully it could be a portion of people who fear a trump presidency.
 

10:31

Superstar
Joined
May 2, 2012
Messages
18,210
Reputation
1,202
Daps
47,483
What I think is happening is you're just seeing republican who were non committed coming back to the republican nominee.

My biggest concern is that there is a higher unaffiliated turnout this time around and until the ballots are actually counted you have no way of knowing who they voted for. Hillary isn't the most inspiring candidate so that is a negative but hopefully it could be a portion of people who fear a trump presidency.

Yeah, I agree

I see a lot of preconditioning taking place as well

Credible media outlets talking about what if neither get to 270 lol


This election was thought to be a blowout for Hill 6-7 months ago

The idea that neither get to 270 4 days out is wild on some 2000 election level of fukkery :mindblown:
 

Dameon Farrow

Superstar
Joined
Jan 19, 2014
Messages
15,726
Reputation
3,761
Daps
52,678
It's going to be a close race breh

Brace yourself for 2000 election year levels of fukkery

I didn't see the battleground states being this tight 4 days out...

I didn't see NH tightening up or Trump regaining ground in VA

My gut tells me Clinton wins but at this point Trump is gaining a lot of momentum


You're about to see fireworks
Not gonna be close. Gotta disagree.
 

Dameon Farrow

Superstar
Joined
Jan 19, 2014
Messages
15,726
Reputation
3,761
Daps
52,678
Those states you say are tightening aren't really tightening. How did the media infer this? More landline polling? That method should have been axed in 05.

Clinton will see 300 Electoral votes easy. I'm calling it. Trump will get whatever is left. If you're saying popular will be close I'll give you that. Buy I'll still say Clinton will secure that.

You see... these latest email Fiasco's won't faze Clinton with the Electoral College. They'll still show her over 270. Say what you want but Hillary has stuck to her political roots. Things like that make a difference. She hasn't alienated her party. She hasn't spoken out of line about her party. People sleep on that. Trump on the other hand is out here talking crazy about his own people. People really act like that won't bite him in the ass Tuesday. You have old school Republicans saying they support Clinton. High ranking revered Old School. No way that should be happening.

Race is not gonna be tight. These polls use outdated schemes to reach their conclusions. I never mention polls on here and that's why. The email thing was a bytch move by Comey. Like the Klan endorsing Trump... it's not a good look. Makes the Right look bad except to the dwindling minority of folks that just can't think for themselves.

Registered Republicans are out here voting against Trump. Not in large numbers but it's happening. They do not like this dude and are looking to the future. Those on Capitol Hill have already written him off as a mistake. They don't come right out and say it but listen closely when they speak.
 

10:31

Superstar
Joined
May 2, 2012
Messages
18,210
Reputation
1,202
Daps
47,483
Those states you say are tightening aren't really tightening. How did the media infer this? More landline polling? That method should have been axed in 05.

Clinton will see 300 Electoral votes easy. I'm calling it. Trump will get whatever is left. If you're saying popular will be close I'll give you that. Buy I'll still say Clinton will secure that.

You see... these latest email Fiasco's won't faze Clinton with the Electoral College. They'll still show her over 270. Say what you want but Hillary has stuck to her political roots. Things like that make a difference. She hasn't alienated her party. She hasn't spoken out of line about her party. People sleep on that. Trump on the other hand is out here talking crazy about his own people. People really act like that won't bite him in the ass Tuesday. You have old school Republicans saying they support Clinton. High ranking revered Old School. No way that should be happening.

Race is not gonna be tight. These polls use outdated schemes to reach their conclusions. I never mention polls on here and that's why. The email thing was a bytch move by Comey. Like the Klan endorsing Trump... it's not a good look. Makes the Right look bad except to the dwindling minority of folks that just can't think for themselves.

Registered Republicans are out here voting against Trump. Not in large numbers but it's happening. They do not like this dude and are looking to the future. Those on Capitol Hill have already written him off as a mistake. They don't come right out and say it but listen closely when they speak.


Huh

How are they not tightening? Please drop some links

I can drop a ton that show you they are... how... and why
 

Dameon Farrow

Superstar
Joined
Jan 19, 2014
Messages
15,726
Reputation
3,761
Daps
52,678
Huh

How are they not tightening? Please drop some links

I can drop a ton that show you they are... how... and why
From outdated polling techniques? I'm talking deeper than some phone poll dude.

I explained why they aren't accurate.

Has Trump not gone out of his way to alienate his party? Has Hillary not done that?

Man the news networks have you guys thinking landline polls in 2016 is some kind of great barometer.

Y'all are gonna learn on the 8th.

If it makes you feel better post your links. But anybody with eyes can see Trump has been far too reckless with the Republican Brand. They want away with this dude. You don't need polls for that. And it makes a difference.

Tell me Trump hasn't been a stain on the Republicans since his campaign kicked off.....:francis:
 

10:31

Superstar
Joined
May 2, 2012
Messages
18,210
Reputation
1,202
Daps
47,483
From outdated polling techniques? I'm talking deeper than some phone poll dude.

I explained why they aren't accurate.

Has Trump not gone out of his way to alienate his party? Has Hillary not done that?

Man the news networks have you guys thinking landline polls in 2016 is some kind of great barometer.

Y'all are gonna learn on the 8th.

If it makes you feel better post your links. But anybody with eyes can see Trump has been far too reckless with the Republican Brand. They want away with this dude. You don't need polls for that. And it makes a difference.

Tell me Trump hasn't been a stain on the Republicans since his campaign kicked off.....:francis:

Breh


Your response is beyond tone deaf though

You went rouge in defying state by state statistics from varying credible resources
 

Dameon Farrow

Superstar
Joined
Jan 19, 2014
Messages
15,726
Reputation
3,761
Daps
52,678
Huh

How are they not tightening? Please drop some links

I can drop a ton that show you they are... how... and why
I mean I just spelled it out as plain as day. If you want links and nothing else you came to the wrong poster. I prefer my own thoughts. :yeshrug:
 

Dameon Farrow

Superstar
Joined
Jan 19, 2014
Messages
15,726
Reputation
3,761
Daps
52,678
Breh


Your response is behind tone deaf though

You went rouge in defying state by state statistics from varying credible resources
State by state landline polling isn't accurate. I explained why polling is inaccurate. Drop your links. I'll check them out once I'm off from work.

You can't ask me for my view and then ask me to post someone else's. Not how I roll.
 
Top