[Serious] Lets talk seriously here for a minute about this election, voting, and race

[ⒶⓁⒾⒶⓈ]

On one side you have people actively working to disenfranchise you; on the other negligence. I hate this choice as much as the next man and I understand the desire to see the whole system burn. At the same time, I have geniune anxiety that we're going down a worse path here with one side. It's not an equivalent comparison.

I disagree...For one the racial tensions we see i suspect were always there its only now that they are becoming visible

first lets clear up a few misconceptions..theres Prejudice ( biased opinion about another racial group) and Racism (acting antagonistically against a group perceived as inferior)..Prejudice is innate to Humans to a certain extent and those examples you posted are actually more prejudice than racism..Racism on the other hand is an action and in this society it manifests as economic..denying people Jobs,Loans and so on.

If you want to understand the REAL roots of this current racial tension you must understand the Class warfare the ruling elite have been waging for 400 years (maybe longer if you consider its European Origins)
As long as the state Identifies and Targets a specific group for different treatment this shyt will never die

 

[88m3]

I agree and said as much on last nights podcast, OP.

 

[Free White & 21]

Not an issue of what one side will do for black people more than it's what one side will DO TO black people. I don't want a conservative Supreme Court and I don't want these racist pricks to feel a sense of validation in their culture through a Trump win.

So basically you're saying we should vote for nothing because you're scared?

Regular white citizens can kill black people with impunity RIGHT NOW. Police lynchings are CURRENTLY in line with the Jim Crow average

More black people were killed by US police in 2015 than were lynched in the worst year of Jim Crow

What sense of entitlement are you speaking of? White supremacists already RUN the planet. Can't get more entitled than that

You cant run forever #TrumpSet

 

[acri1]

Good thread, and I agree. These racists getting blatant out here.

State by state landline polling isn't accurate. I explained why polling is inaccurate. Drop your links. I'll check them out once I'm off from work.

You can't ask me for my view and then ask me to post someone else's. Not how I roll.

Why exactly is polling inaccurate? You didn't explain that at all at least in this thread.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

So basically you're saying we should vote for nothing because you're scared?

Regular white citizens can kill black people with impunity RIGHT NOW. Police lynchings are CURRENTLY in line with the Jim Crow average

More black people were killed by US police in 2015 than were lynched in the worst year of Jim Crow

What sense of entitlement are you speaking of? White supremacists already RUN the planet. Can't get more entitled than that

You cant run forever #TrumpSet

what would you say if i told you more white people were factually killed by police in 2015 than black people.

776 People Killed By Police So Far in 2015, 161 Of Them Unarmed

So far in 2015, U.S. police killed 776 people, 161 of whom were completely unarmed at the time of their death.

The data was compiled by The Guardian for a project called “The Counted,” a continuously updated, interactive database of police killings in the United States. Based on their figures, police have killed, on average, about three people per day so far this year. The Counted database is the most comprehensive information available on police killings, since no U.S. government agency maintains a similar listing.

Police killings in America have sparked a national movement for police reform, especially since the death of Mike Brown last year in Ferguson, Missouri.

Based on The Guardian’s statistics, police killed more white people than any other race this year. A total 385 white people have been killed by police this year, and 66 of them were unarmed at the time of their death.

 

[The American]

So basically you're saying we should vote for nothing because you're scared?

Regular white citizens can kill black people with impunity RIGHT NOW. Police lynchings are CURRENTLY in line with the Jim Crow average

More black people were killed by US police in 2015 than were lynched in the worst year of Jim Crow

What sense of entitlement are you speaking of? White supremacists already RUN the planet. Can't get more entitled than that

You cant run forever #TrumpSet

You actually can get more entitled than that. Since the 60s, we been diminishing white power, it's looking to fight back, we can't allow them to, trump is they only hope.

You sound like an idiot saying shyt can't get worse. The fact u can afford a phone to post online shows it can get worse. I suspect u r white, Raymond Burr was white, who the fukk would stan Perry Mason of all people

 

[JahFocus CS]

understandable points.

on the whole I don't think that whoever wins should affect what we should be doing anyway as a community (and New Afrikan nation) when it comes to economics, institution-building, political/cultural awareness, and self-defense.

All I'm saying is strap up, stack up, and hit the books.

Cast aside illusions, prepare for struggle. word to @BaggerofTea

 

[Trece]

Please take time to read and respond seriously.

I added the bracket on serious because I'm speaking from the heart here as if we're family. Removing the politics and simple political disagreement and being serious about ramifications here.

I'm not going to share too many personal details because I still enjoy the anonymity of my online participation but I will share some real anecdotes here. Instead of engaging in snark and one-upmanship that can happen with these types of topics, I want to talk about this seriously.

I have a direct family member who works in a midwesten town that traditionally votes republican. Theyre a doctor. Over the past year or two, as this election progresses there is a noticeable shift in racial incidents and comments being made that are becoming more bold. I will share two.

The first one happened while they were working in an OR case with another surgeon. They were discussing a variety of topics and it happened to circle around to some topic where race suddenly came up. To preface, this family member is black but very light skin (only highlighting the randomness of genetic expression but I digress). Think Mariah Carey and even then this person isn't "mixed race". They had a completely black father and mixed race mother.

Anyways, noting that these individuals were getting too comfortable with their talk, they let them know that they are actually black. Keep in mind they are working on a patient, a baby, at this time under anesthesia. At this point the talk ceased And before this family member had time to respond, he reaches over the table and lifts up their Surgical cap to look at their hair. Completely violating that person's personal space and looking at them like they were some sort of zoo animal and felt completely entitled to put their hands on another person

Since at the time this person was working on a little baby, they didn't want to get into it at that moment and just went back to work. Talk was sparse after this.

Second anecdote, which is more recent. Another case, where they are work with two other doctors. One of the doctors asks the other if they ever heard of chitterlings. The doctor says no. The other doctor proceeds to say yeah I was in line yesterday while these two c00ns were buying them.

Then there is a number of incidents less blantant such as nurses saying "blacks only like shooting each other " and just a variety of other racist shyt.

While these incidents aren't the most egregious examples, I wanted to share them because they are happening with more frequency than before and these incidents are happening to people in my own family. It's not just some distant news story. They aren't the only ones and we all know these incidents always occurred and ideas were always there.

My geniune concern here is that regardless of what you think of the democratic candidate and I agree with a lot of the issues there, I also feel that a lot of this new alt-right and online white rage culture is getting offline validation through Trump. I know I'm not the first to make this argument and I'm geniunely not trying to use "scare tactics" at least as a means to an end context. No I'm completely sincere in what I think is a real actual outcome.

I know there is a segment of cynics out there that view both sides as corrupt and that is fine. However keep this in mind, North Carolina early voting for blacks was hugely hampered by what was determined by the courts to be racist republican legislation. They purposely looked at black districts and cut down the voting times and locations ONLY in their neighborhoods where in one district they only had ONE polling center for the whole black district. This is in part of a Supreme Court decision that no longer requires these southern states to get federal signoff on voting changes. The reasoning being we're past the 60's and these restrictions are no longer needed. Turned out not to be the case here obviously.

On one side you have people actively working to disenfranchise you; on the other negligence. I hate this choice as much as the next man and I understand the desire to see the whole system burn. At the same time, I have geniune anxiety that we're going down a worse path here with one side. It's not an equivalent comparison. Not an issue of what one side will do for black people more than it's what one side will DO TO black people. I don't want a conservative Supreme Court and I don't want these racist pricks to feel a sense of validation in their culture through a Trump win.

I'm not going to browbeat and shame people for not voting. But, if you're like me and for example no longer thinking of yourself but thinking about starting a family and having kids, maybe consider the pragmatic (yes I know some hate this word ) choice here and go out and vote.

I shared these anecdotes because to me, and hopefully I convey to you, that's it's not about fun chaos and joker like mayhem but there are real world consequences at stake. The fact that this happening to people in my family and making me geniunely upset is why I wanted to make this topic.

Again I don't want to browbeat and shame here but think about this issue with an open mind and introspection.

This is a good post breh and I respect it but you have also got to understand that some people are upset with Washington DC promising the world and do nothing in return for poor folks after they get elected. The country is run by rich people (mostly white) and a few sellouts that turn their back on their community after they get their slice of the pie and move their kids out of the public school system and into a gated community.

You have some antecdotes and so do I. The other day a little boy walked into the girls bathroom at my daughters school and tried to take pictures with his camera phone of little girls in the stalls. When the parents found out and complained the school officials reminded the parents that he was talked to about not taking pictures but he is allowed to walk into the bathroom of his choosing based on his gender identity.

I also recently talked to a guy in the neighborhood who told me there is a deebo like cat walking around the neighborhood shaking people down mostly vendors for money.. he will kcik their ass and sometimes he takes their little carts and rolls em into the middle of the street (busy streets Lankershim) and walks away.. dude is a terror and gets locked up but then gets released 5 mins later. Turns out he has no papers and came form the 18th street gang in Honduras but he is never deported becaiuse he lives in a sanctuary city. .

These are 2 little stories that might piss people off enough to even consider voting for someone as scummy as Trump. Where you are afraid of racism others are afraid of lawlessness.
Most liberals do not understand this shyt because they make alot of money and they get to retreat to a neighborhood full of hipsters and priuses.. their policies make the ghettos and barrios worse but they dont have to live there so they are okay with it.. Racism of the kind you are talking about is disgusting. Racism on skin color only is ignorant and backwards. Most people nowadayd take their racism underground and instead twist it into a dangerous form of materialism and classism, liberals are the best at that. Next time instead of pulling back someones cap to look at their hair they might peer at their medical record to look at their insurance plan (medicaid) and their address to make their racist assumptions. Point is that type of ignorance is never going away.

Trumpism is a symptom of a much larger feeling of hate for the government that is not going away. Trump is part one of a triology. In essence he is the easiest part to beat because he is a bad messenger so you all liberals might survive this movement but the next guy/girl to come along and tap into this couldbe stronger. The america we have today where we have 21 different gender types, where events get pulled if you pass a controversial law that upsets liberals, where we have censorship on jokes that can now be defined as hate speech. This identiy political landscape wont continue without a counter movement. If we survive Trump we should expect more resistance similar to trumpism in the future. People think liberallly or conservatively and you can never force the values of one side on the other. Especially as forcefully as liberal values have been pushed the last 4 years.

 

[StatUS]

A vote out of fear is the worst kind. Dems are not as bad but I'll never agree with people voting for them out of fear of what the GOP will do. If you look at some of policies Clinton and Obama pushed you'd think they were right wingers too.

 

[heart]

@Chicken Pot Pie
Good Thread...

When you look at the origins of the breitbart, Alt-right, white nationalists, KKK, and other movements like that Trump is their fanboy. The name barack huesein obama struck fear in a lot of white people in '07-08. Trump came in and said what a lot of people thought about him, that he wasn't from America.

As far as this race, I have a colleague who is a Asian conservative who hates obama but doesn't understand how she fits into trump's world as a asian. I think the notion to assume anyone supporting trump as a racist is false on one end but his rhetoric makes it hard to see it another way as well. I agree with the system being broken and Washington needing a shake up but I don't think trump is the guy to do it, matter of fact I know he is not.

What happens to that party after next Tuesday? I'm not talking about trump, he'll be ok. I'm talking about the people who aren't doing well in this economy, who aren't highly educated who lost their job in the midwest and who are now tremendously underpaid for their work and who are NOT racists but just by saying they are supporting trump are automatically classed as one. Where will those people go? That pain and frustration isn't going anywhere...

The problem I have with trump is he gave a voice to to the voiceless, a section of the republican party who are racist, anti government, and want to overthrow the entire party. Attention is like crack and trump loves it. Trump holds grudges and I think guys like Paul Ryan who were probably thinking about running in 2020 will not win because trump will speak out at establishment guys didn't fully support him or hedge their bets.

 

[JahFocus CS]

Spare me the talk of all the Trump supporters (like actual motherfukkers going to his rallies) who aren't racist. They are an insignificant number of people voting for him.

 

[Free White & 21]

You actually can get more entitled than that. Since the 60s, we been diminishing white power, it's looking to fight back, we can't allow them to, trump is they only hope.

You sound like an idiot saying shyt can't get worse. The fact u can afford a phone to post online shows it can get worse. I suspect u r white, Raymond Burr was white, who the fukk would stan Perry Mason of all people

nikkas is delusional

As far as me not being black.. ban bet?

 

[Birnin Zana]

More black people were killed by US police in 2015 than were lynched in the worst year of Jim Crow

Holy shyt

 

[ill]

A vote out of fear is the worst kind. Dems are not as bad but I'll never agree with people voting for them out of fear of what the GOP will do. If you look at some of policies Clinton and Obama pushed you'd think they were right wingers too.

People vote on emotion and false promises rather than actions and verifiable policy.

 

[Dr. Acula]

Should add the doctor I was talking about is getting the fukk out the place she is at now.

She constantly gets offers to work in these red states where poor ass cacs are overdosing on heroine and they're dying for specialists to make their lives better. They are also paying top dollar because people don't want to live in bumfukkastan for this very reason that they make their communities so hostile to people different than them.

She is taking her expertise to a black communities or more a diverse place so these people can keep killing themselves with drugs and wallow in misery after voting for republicans.

Once the republicans cut Medicare and social security and hopefully cut Obamacare, that place will get ugly, hopefully.