DJ Paul's Arm
Veteran
It’s over. Music as we know it on a mainstream level is long gone.
Seriously why is American music trash right now.
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There are a sector of fans who don't think highly of DMX. They view him the same way people try to downplay Pac: he wasn't lyrical.
So you think Method Man and DJ Premier are trash people too. They got a song with him. E-40 and Eightball & MJG are on a song with him too.
A LOT of classic Hip Hop albums have reviews that were critically panned.
Great musicians make all types of business moves. Limp bizkit fanboys liked some of the rap, so of course rappers would jump on the track or do the remix. That fred durst Method Man song is possibly the worst song Method Man has been on.
Put it this way, low quality music usually has a quick expiration date and limp bizkit were only popular for 3 years. Great musicians stay relevant for longer.
This isn't true, Spotify and others have literally bought their own data analytics firms and algorithms dominate how most people are introduced to music now. Formulas play a heavy role in which music is produced, how it is produced, how it reaches the consumer, and how it goes viral.
Spotify forks out $295M for Findaway, Podsights, Chartable and Sonantic, filing reveals | TechCrunch
Spotify has quietly announced how much it's paying for four of its recent acquisitions, revealing that it's doling out a combined €291 million ($295
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You can make a thing so perfect that it’s ruined.
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Counterintuitively, this is part of the problem. The more choices there are, the simpler and more formulaic a song has to be in order to get enough attention to rise to the top. Back when there were fewer choices, it was easier for complex and novel songs to hang around enough and get enough listens that they eventually became popular. But now in a world with a billion choices and attention widely scattered, it has become far more difficult for anything different or complex to succeed, because when something is different it takes longer for people to realize they like it. Thus all the interesting shyt is getting swamped out by the familiar generic crap that fits the formula.
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Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
This whole post thread of yours.
Is why you never made any relevant reviews or posts..
This kind of thinking plagues thecoli.com and human life. People walking around signifying and do not know wtf they talembout. Yet trying to act like.
since they partake in a forum with no actual content worth a damn. Like they know or made an actual critique and never made any real critique.
If so.
Post who you discovered and their reviews.
Or post someone and you fueled their charge to blow up.
I will wait.
When I know it will be another quarter century and surrounded by people signifying and not ever doing.
Even when they can post some words at their leisure and comfortability tho.
Art Barr
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
Really this argument is one that encompasses everything and can be applied to eveything. Once the culture of hiphop was purposefully allowed by the rest of the general youse to occur. Instead of actually being accepting of a nonviolent culture.
that would have saved you. Instead youse,....
the general youse's allowed this to occur.
all becaUse you wanted to misappropriate.
as culture theives and toys in masses.
Then eventually take and seek refuge.
to hide behind the computer database as a scapegoat.
Which is simply known to anyone since the genesis of the spread sheet to database 123. That the scapegoat reason everything suffers in a database 123 world is.
No one after a given point.
can bring you to the database and clearly show you.
how or why you should look for this or that.
That is the problem with everything in America.
Once it embraced the spreadsheet without proper guidance.
Plus this caveat.
It was heading for ruin.
Especially once this caveat gained mass widespread acceptance.
as the eventual scapegoat.
The question you have for yourself is.
So now,....
do you ,...
do the due diligence.
To fully gain knowledge of self.
Despite knowing and being prescient to this.
As you are living in a world of complete ill free thought. Of the likes of everyone you will now encounter. Is from a channel straight off the Rick and Morty intergalactic Cable box.
living in live united states domestic clockwork orange color.
Art Barr
that would have saved you. Instead youse,....
the general youse's allowed this to occur.
all becaUse you wanted to misappropriate.
as culture theives and toys in masses.
Then eventually take and seek refuge.
to hide behind the computer database as a scapegoat.
Which is simply known to anyone since the genesis of the spread sheet to database 123. That the scapegoat reason everything suffers in a database 123 world is.
No one after a given point.
can bring you to the database and clearly show you.
how or why you should look for this or that.
That is the problem with everything in America.
Once it embraced the spreadsheet without proper guidance.
Plus this caveat.
It was heading for ruin.
Especially once this caveat gained mass widespread acceptance.
as the eventual scapegoat.
The question you have for yourself is.
So now,....
do you ,...
do the due diligence.
To fully gain knowledge of self.
Despite knowing and being prescient to this.
As you are living in a world of complete ill free thought. Of the likes of everyone you will now encounter. Is from a channel straight off the Rick and Morty intergalactic Cable box.
living in live united states domestic clockwork orange color.
Art Barr
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dora_da_destroyer
Master Baker
not sure what the first link is supposed to prove other than spotify diversifying to keep people in their ecosystem. also didn't see what point the third was making in re: to music.This isn't true, Spotify and others have literally bought their own data analytics firms and algorithms dominate how most people are introduced to music now. Formulas play a heavy role in which music is produced, how it is produced, how it reaches the consumer, and how it goes viral.
Spotify forks out $295M for Findaway, Podsights, Chartable and Sonantic, filing reveals | TechCrunch
Spotify has quietly announced how much it's paying for four of its recent acquisitions, revealing that it's doling out a combined €291 million ($295
Data Science in the Music and Entertainment Industry
Mahz explores some of the many applications of data science in the music and entertainment industry.
What Moneyball-for-Everything Has Done to American Culture
You can make a thing so perfect that it’s ruined.
Counterintuitively, this is part of the problem. The more choices there are, the simpler and more formulaic a song has to be in order to get enough attention to rise to the top. Back when there were fewer choices, it was easier for complex and novel songs to hang around enough and get enough listens that they eventually became popular. But now in a world with a billion choices and attention widely scattered, it has become far more difficult for anything different or complex to succeed, because when something is different it takes longer for people to realize they like it. Thus all the interesting shyt is getting swamped out by the familiar generic crap that fits the formula.
Are Today’s Musicians More “Clone-Like?”
Do you have fond memories of those not-so-long-ago days when soda came in glass bottles, drive-in-movies were still a thing, and tomatoes actually tasted like tomatoes? Even though in most ways we are…
Why are song lyrics becoming simpler? a time series analysis of lyrical complexity in six decades of American popular music
Song lyrics are rich in meaning. In recent years, the lyrical content of popular songs has been used as an index of culture’s shifting norms, affect, and values. One particular, newly uncovered, trend is that lyrics of popular songs have become increasingly simple over time. Why might this be...
link 2 speaks on trends the artists themselves have adopted to respond to the current market - ie shorter songs - and about using DS to curate music based on your tastes, not formulaic hits. the lists spotify curates for me is full of shyt that's not what's hot in the mainstream because most of what i listen to isn't mainstream. industry people spoke directly on how trying to design hits is failing to establish stars - it works to some degree with artists who build their own followings - like weeknd teaming with max martin and doja with dr luke, two dudes known for creating a winning formula, but both did the heavy lifting to build their followings before labels gave them real resources. on the flip, people with no following flop to high heavens while trying to follow a formula.
there's no date on that today's artists being uniform - that may ring true in some ways, ie tons of dudes on trap beats, but things like that have always been true, no one said trends, or hot sounds don't exist anymore, but it's artist driven, not labels. labels don't have the same involvement with artists, outside of superstars, and many of them have a lot more control than in the past.
song lyrics being simpler - again, another artist thing, you see this with people who are still young and raw, no writers and producers creating for them. you're not paying attention to all these artists that exist and build before a big label ever signs/distributes them. you're trying to attribute common trends it music to the labels when artists are doing it themselves.
this article reflects the reality of music now Too Many Songs, Not Enough Hits: Pop Music Is Struggling to Create New Stars, finally, gen z is not beholden to even streaming. socials, communal interests (subreddits and discord), and YouTube (organic, not YT music) are how they find music and how they grow songs into hits - NBA Youngboy is a product of that as is Bad Habits or the random resurfacing of old ass songs. there's way more driving music trends and hits today than 20 years ago when you could successfully create 2-4 renditions of the same thing following a forumla ( britney vs christina, avril vs pink, n sync vs backstreet vs 98 degrees, etc)
ETA: there are 5 songs in the Billboard top 20 right now that I can identify as being there because of SM - Ice Spice & Pink Pantheress, Coi Leray, Chris Brown 4 yr old album cut, an 11 yr old single from Miguel and a 7 yr old single from Weeknd all (re)gained life due to SM...the labels aint running shyt
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Drake is one of exceptions. He's got a big marketing team, writers, etc. and they create a safe sound music that caters to the average consumer. He's also lucky to be in the era with low expectation bar where not enough people call him out for stealing ideas from indie artists and things like that. And he's not at the complete bottom of musicians such as durst, tekashi, etc.
What about other mediocre artists who were popular back in 2012/13? How come 10 years later most of them aren't as relevant as they used to. You said there's no bad music right? What's Tyga, Chief Keef, Wale, French Montana, Big Sean, Ace Hood, Schoolboy Q and other mediocre rappers up to these days?
Oh yeah I forgot about that Vybz Kartel wannabe, Future, he looks like he still has a relevant career like Drake making same music he's been making for 10+ years. There you go, two guys.
My point is, most of these low quality or mediocre artists are expendable assets. They make a few popular tracks and others step in their place. When you have entire music industries with such swappable artists that are too lazy to work on their craft, the music loses it's quality real fast.
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ISO
Pass me the rock nikka
It’s true quality is subjective and the music coming out now is simply reflective of our current society.
To be an artist nowadays it takes less talent you don’t need to know how to play instruments, you don’t need to be a great singer, and lyrics that are catchy and relatable are likely to go further than something lyrically dense, so you don’t have to be a great writer to be a successful artist. There’s more music now at your finger tips than ever its up to the consumer to find their niches.
All these global genres take note from America anyway and streaming has allowed for international markets to rise.
To be an artist nowadays it takes less talent you don’t need to know how to play instruments, you don’t need to be a great singer, and lyrics that are catchy and relatable are likely to go further than something lyrically dense, so you don’t have to be a great writer to be a successful artist. There’s more music now at your finger tips than ever its up to the consumer to find their niches.
All these global genres take note from America anyway and streaming has allowed for international markets to rise.
ISO
Pass me the rock nikka
Far from failing my boy. And labels aren’t behind that.
thernbroom
Superstar
Lol trash culture just like maino and Troy Ave beef and the music coming from it 