Sessions: Separations at the border "Biblical"

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If I can add my experience here:

The Scripture Sessions is citing is Romans 13:1-7. This passage is one I heard quoted often when my former pastor talked about police shootings in Ferguson and beyond.

It's pretty obvious it's being taken out of context for a few reasons:
  1. The Bible cites numerous examples of wicked kings and authorities that God commanded his people to oppose
  2. The Bible cites numerous examples of unjust laws and decrees that God said it was ok to disobey
  3. The Bible doesn't support the enforcement of unjust laws, and Bible readers know that (i.e. Christians oppose abortion even though it's legal, believing it to be unjust and immoral)
  4. The Apostle Paul himself was jailed many times for evangelizing, because he broke local laws and policies in the process...obviously he thought it was right to do so
  5. Laughably, the same chapter contains this verse: " Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law."
 

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This is not true.

Canada requires an ETA by air for US citizens, but a real ID my local license would work if traveling with that and by air.

Passports aren't required by land or sea travel. For US citizens as well.

That said, that's merely having valid ID. That's pretty free flowing.
lots of interesting info here...

Canada

For tourist visits to Canada of less than 180 days, U.S. citizens do not need visas. Other types of travel (e.g., to work, study, or immigrate) generally requires visas. For complete information on visa categories and requirements, consult the Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC) website.

Anyone with a criminal record (including misdemeanors or alcohol-related driving offenses) may not be able to enter Canada without first obtaining an approval for rehabilitation well in advance of any planned travel. To determine whether you may be inadmissible and how to overcome this finding, please refer to the CIC website.

Entry into Canada is solely determined by Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) officials in accordance with Canadian law. Please see the CBSA’s website for full details.

Travel Programs: Both the U.S. and Canadian governments urge frequent travelers to join the NEXUS trusted traveler program.

Entry into Canada: Canadian law requires that all persons entering Canada carry both proof of citizenship and proof of identity. A valid U.S. passport, passport card, or NEXUS card satisfies these requirements for U.S. citizens.

Children under 16 need only present proof of U.S. citizenship.

Entry into the United States: When traveling by air from Canada, U.S. citizens are required by U.S. law to present a U.S. passport book. A few exceptions to this rule and a full list of documents that can be used at land and sea borders are provided on the U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) website.

Travel with Minors: If you plan to travel to Canada with a minor who is not your own child or for whom you do not have full legal custody, CBSA may require you to present a notarized affidavit of consent from the minor’s parents. Please refer to the CBSA websitefor more details.

Travel for Private Boaters and Recreational Vessels: Canadian law requires all foreign private boaters, including recreational vessels, to present themselves upon their arrival in Canada to the CBSA. See the CBSA website for information regarding reporting requirements upon entry to Canada by boat. For procedures to report arrivals in the United States, please refer to the Small Vessel Reporting System and Pleasure Boat Reporting Requirements.

The U.S. Department of State is unaware of any HIV/AIDS entry restrictions for visitors to or foreign residents of Canada.

Find information on dual nationality, prevention of international parental child abduction, and customs information on our websites.


On the flip side, Canadians MUST have a valid Canadian passport to enter the USA.
 

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Because Trump instituted this policy on May fukking 7th!

Why don't you ask him why?

Or believe him when he says he's doing it to force funding for a border wall.

Get all the way out of here on this bullshyt.
i keep trying to tell people that homie is disingenuous....
 

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If I can add my experience here:

The Scripture Sessions is citing is Romans 13:1-7. This passage is one I heard quoted often when my former pastor talked about police shootings in Ferguson and beyond.

It's pretty obvious it's being taken out of context for a few reasons:
  1. The Bible cites numerous examples of wicked kings and authorities that God commanded his people to oppose
  2. The Bible cites numerous examples of unjust laws and decrees that God said it was ok to disobey
  3. The Bible doesn't support the enforcement of unjust laws, and Bible readers know that (i.e. Christians oppose abortion even though it's legal, believing it to be unjust and immoral)
  4. The Apostle Paul himself was jailed many times for evangelizing, because he broke local laws and policies in the process...obviously he thought it was right to do so
  5. Laughably, the same chapter contains this verse: " Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law."

13 Everyone must submit to governing authorities. For all authority comes from God, and those in positions of authority have been placed there by God. 2 So anyone who rebels against authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and they will be punished. 3 For the authorities do not strike fear in people who are doing right, but in those who are doing wrong. Would you like to live without fear of the authorities? Do what is right, and they will honor you. 4 The authorities are God’s servants, sent for your good. But if you are doing wrong, of course you should be afraid, for they have the power to punish you. They are God’s servants, sent for the very purpose of punishing those who do what is wrong. 5 So you must submit to them, not only to avoid punishment, but also to keep a clear conscience.

6 Pay your taxes, too, for these same reasons. For government workers need to be paid. They are serving God in what they do. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: Pay your taxes and government fees to those who collect them, and give respect and honor to those who are in authority.

What a joke :dahell:
 

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Unfortunately this isn't true. you need a passport to get in to Canada. that "passport" is some kind of pre-approval, but it still doesn't guarantee entrance.
A. You don't need a passport to get into Canada.

B. Even if you did need a passport, that's not any sort of "pre-approval" because it is the USA, not Canada, who issues that passport.

So now you see that your talking point is wrong. Willing to change your mind, or just change your talking point?
 

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Behold the monsters @DEAD7 got bushed for. I hope his bushing is long and fruitful. And that if he comes back he cuts it with his disingenuous both sides uses a lot of buzzwords to say and propose absolutely nothing style of posting.

He's clearly too smart to buy into the shyt he peddles.
 

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A. You don't need a passport to get into Canada.

B. Even if you did need a passport, that's not any sort of "pre-approval" because it is the USA, not Canada, who issues that passport.

So now you see that your talking point is wrong. Willing to change your mind, or just change your talking point?
that "pre-approval" is based on an agreement between those two countries.

Canada and the USA have agreed that any person that has been APPROVED a passport (which is NOT a given) to an american citizen MAY be authorized entrance in to Canada, barring there are no other legal issues.

Even without a passport they would need BOTH proof of citizenship AND proof of identity. both which have been agreed upon by Canada and the USA (again, this is a pre-approval)

no one is just walking up to the Canadian border and getting in because they want to.
 

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that "pre-approval" is based on an agreement between those two countries.

Canada and the USA have agreed that any person that has been APPROVED a passport (which is NOT a given) to an american citizen MAY be authorized entrance in to Canada, barring there are no other legal issues.

Even without a passport they would need BOTH proof of citizenship AND proof of identity. both which have been agreed upon by Canada and the USA (again, this is a pre-approval)

no one is just walking up to the Canadian border and getting in because they want to.
Wait, so now your "pre-approval" is reduced to "prove they are a person from America with an identity." :dead:

And when I've been into Mexico you don't even need that much, you just drove over the border without even getting stopped.

Fool, you trolling yourself. Do you even remember why you brought this up in the first place?
 

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Wait, so now your "pre-approval" is reduced to "prove they are a person from America with an identity." :dead:

And when I've been into Mexico you don't even need that much, you just drove over the border without even getting stopped.

Fool, you trolling yourself. Do you even remember why you brought this up in the first place?
ugh....I'm not gonna bother arguing with you.

peace bruh...
 
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