Shaq: "Chris Paul Really Isn't Known For Defense" :dahell:

[Stick Up Kid]

so? yall act like he's Gary Payton and Kidd or somethin..

CP3 was never known for defense.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

Shaq and Chuck have such blinders, that segment yesterday was atrocious. Nothing will shake them away from their biases. You had Kenny Smith trying to be the level headed one but they ain't listen.

 

[JackRoss]

@Gil Scott-Heroin you are a poster with strong opinions.. You stand out in this section for good and bad.. How am I on your dikk?? Why the neg? You found me and quoted me were you on my dikk then?? We grown men, stop talkin about dikks and stop being a groupie about sports topics..

 

[JackRoss]

so? yall act like he's Gary Payton and Kidd or somethin..

CP3 was never known for defense.

Who acted like that though? Props were given but nobody said Chris Paul is a defender that deserves to be acknowledged as Defensive Player of the Year year in, year out. Why are you so extreme?? Who compared his defense to Gary Payton? Why did you even bring up Gary Payton??

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Michael Jordan is more known as a dynamic, prolific scorer. How would I sound making a statement like "Michael Jordan isn't really known for his defense"? Same with Kobe. Anyone that knows enough to describe what style of PG Chris Paul is, also knows he's a great defender.

CP3 hasn't been a "great" defender for years now. He's getting by simply on reputation. I already dropped a thread on this a couple years back -

"Contrary to popular belief, Chris Paul is no longer a GREAT defensive player and hasn't been for some time - probably since 2012 - around the same time he moved to LA; dealing with the cumulative effect of his knee injuries and the increasing athleticism/ability [= his decline] at the PG position. No longer is he effective at closing out on players, shadowing them around the halfcourt, cutting off driving lanes and reading and navigating around picks. His defensive value is only in the vein of gambling in passing lanes and directing opponents towards more able defenders (funnelling unnecessarily to DeAndre). His All-NBA Defensive team nod last season was purely based on reputation and not what actually took place on the court -

Despite the Clippers being ranked 13th in points against per shot (0.96 PPP - 50.8%) in 2014/2015, they were near last at contesting shots at a 40.89% rate (Kings and Lakers were the only teams who were worse), which is quite remarkable they actually got away with contesting at such a poor rate, yet still had a good defense since both the Lakers and Kings were ranked in the bottom five for points against per shot. Paul being the main culprit, as he was the WORST among all Clippers' starters at contesting shots - where he ranked 79th in the league among qualifying point guards at a 26.1% rate. He also ranked 77th among PGs in Keep-in-Front% at 29.7 - "Keep-In-Front% tracks a defender’s ability to keep his man in front of him following on-ball screens, during help attempts, on one-on-one drive attempts, and on closeout attempts."

However, a closer look at Paul’s numbers show that it’s not just on-ball screens where the point guard is having trouble keeping his man between him and the basket. His Keep-in-Front Drive% was just 35.9 percent on the season. In comparison, the Boston Celtics’ stalwart young defensive unit of Marcus Smart and Avery Bradley had Keep-in-Front%’s of 53.8 and 50.8, respectively.

The Clippers defensive scheme / DeAndre covered up teams capitalizing on his lack of defense and miscues -

The Clippers had the second-highest Hedge% in the entire league at 22.19 percent. This was an effective screen-defense strategy as the Clippers had the lowest Points Allowed per Screen in the NBA last season at .073. Having the most agile post defender in the game in Jordan obviously is a big reason the Clippers can hedge with such frequency.

Chris Paul Is Leaving Too Many Holes and Too Much Space for the Clippers’ Defense to Shine

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We all saw how bad he was in the playoffs last season -

 

[Stick Up Kid]

Who acted like that though? Props were given but nobody said Chris Paul is a defender that deserves to be acknowledged as Defensive Player of the Year year in, year out. Why are you so extreme?? Who compared his defense to Gary Payton? Why did you even bring up Gary Payton??

why are outraged?

 

[JackRoss]

why are outraged?

Where did you see outrage?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

He’s a reigning 1st team all defense player and he had the best DRPM off all guards last year

He’s great by eye test and analytics.

Where is this place that doesn’t know that CP3 is a great defender besides that dope fiend Gil-Abuses Fentanyl’s fantasy land?

Teams use his game tape to teach how to get over screens, he’s that’s good.

You were arguing that CP3 shouldn't have made the All-Defensive 1st team last season, and now you're propping him up as this great defender. You've only changed your tune because he's on the Rockets now, you dikkriding fakkit.

 

[ALonelyDad]

I still stand by my statement current ESPN studio show>TNT
Shaq and Barkley clearly don’t even watch any games except those that night and even then aren’t even paying attention anymore or have there own personal agenda against teams or players.
The show went from being must see to get a players perspective on teams and players to a Nick Cannon Wild N Out special.

Pierce and Billups say stupid shyt too, at least one is entertaining

 

[obarth]

CP3 hasn't been a "great" defender for years now. He's getting by simply on reputation. I already dropped a thread on this a couple years back -

"Contrary to popular belief, Chris Paul is no longer a GREAT defensive player and hasn't been for some time - probably since 2012 - around the same time he moved to LA; dealing with the cumulative effect of his knee injuries and the increasing athleticism/ability [= his decline] at the PG position. No longer is he effective at closing out on players, shadowing them around the halfcourt, cutting off driving lanes and reading and navigating around picks. His defensive value is only in the vein of gambling in passing lanes and directing opponents towards more able defenders (funnelling unnecessarily to DeAndre). His All-NBA Defensive team nod last season was purely based on reputation and not what actually took place on the court -

Despite the Clippers being ranked 13th in points against per shot (0.96 PPP - 50.8%) in 2014/2015, they were near last at contesting shots at a 40.89% rate (Kings and Lakers were the only teams who were worse), which is quite remarkable they actually got away with contesting at such a poor rate, yet still had a good defense since both the Lakers and Kings were ranked in the bottom five for points against per shot. Paul being the main culprit, as he was the WORST among all Clippers' starters at contesting shots - where he ranked 79th in the league among qualifying point guards at a 26.1% rate. He also ranked 77th among PGs in Keep-in-Front% at 29.7 - "Keep-In-Front% tracks a defender’s ability to keep his man in front of him following on-ball screens, during help attempts, on one-on-one drive attempts, and on closeout attempts."


The Clippers defensive scheme / DeAndre covered up teams capitalizing on his lack of defense and miscues -
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We all saw how bad he was in the playoffs last season -

Most players reputation for being great defenders lasts long after they no longer are. LeBron is a great example. Kobe had fallen off a while before retirement. The point is, as the article affirms, when it coms to what dude is known for, defense has been a big part of it his whole career

 

[JackRoss]

@Stick Up Kid im outraged at you bringing up Gary Payton.. Why did you do that, my b*stard son?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Curry got outscored by Nick Young the only time they’ve played with CP3 as a Rocket

And yet Curry still scored 5x the amount of points that CP3 did in that game. Go figure.

 

[duckbutta]

Rockets fans have to make a thread about every little thing you say about their team

The insecurity is palpable

I guess getting blown at in game 6 at home will do that to you

 

[DonKnock]

Rockets fans have to make a thread about every little thing you say about their team

The insecurity is palpable

I guess getting blown at in game 6 at home will do that to you

Y'all won cause Pau did an Artest impression on Harden's cranium. Now I don't feel bad for Kawhi getting got by Zaza

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Y'all won cause Pau did an Artest impression on Harden's cranium. Now I don't feel bad for Kawhi getting got by Zaza

at this shamelessness.