I don't understand, what's Ochiba's beef with Toranaga? I'm not buying her story. Sounds like she's on some bullshyt.
& ain’t no love romantic shyt going on that side too…they just want Toronaga dead so they can go on about their corrupt business 


Whatever her story, I’m on that hoes side….she gonna cause some shyt& ain’t no love romantic shyt going on that side too…they just want Toronaga dead so they can go on about their corrupt business
We’ve barely seen much of Lady Ochiba but her strange presence so far
And I wish she would whisper in my ear like that![]()

I don't understand, when she said what he made me do to have a child? That whole monologue confused me.

Taiko, her husband is infertile but wanted heir for his crown…even though she hasn’t said it, I’m assuming he made her sleep with many guys till she was pregnant to pass off as his own.
Another wild shot but I think Tornaga has something to do with that & that’s why she want him gone.
That makes sense. I normally don't like things on the nose, I guess I wish she expanded a little more on that. I didn't know Taiko was infertile. Did I miss that? Do we think Toranaga might be the father of the HEIR?That makes sense. I normally don't like things on the nose, I guess I wish she expanded a little more on that. I didn't know Taiko was infertile. Did I miss that? Do we think Toranaga might be the father of the HEIR?
Show is nothing but a Yellow fever fantasy and I'm suspend all interest I had and just enjoy the visual and wait for the epic battle
And why did he want Mariko with the Anjin in the whorehouse? He said to see if he pillow talks? But that didn't make sense, especially since Mariko didn't follow Anjin when he left with the escort in the next room, alone.
.I know he hates his son. Toranaga playing 4D chess against like 4 opponents with everything going against him and this mfer refuses to shutup in meetings.I gotta give it to Toranago, he's been playing a dangerous game from the jump. But he's been playing the game better than everyone else.
I wish my nikka Ned Stark had some of Toranaga's cunning ways. If he did, he would still be alive![]()
