Should direct diasporans be allowed to vote in home country elections?

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Asking the question in general. But thought about it after reading about developments in Zimbabwe.


‘Zanu-PF fears diaspora vote could push it out of power'
09/16/21
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ZIMBABWEANS in the diaspora yesterday challenged the ruling Zanu-PF party to allow them to vote in the 2023 elections, saying denying them their right exposes the ruling party's fear of losing polls.

In June, acting Zanu-PF commissar Patrick Chinamasa said the country would only allow diasporans to vote if the West removed sanctions on the country.


He said Zimbabwe won't set up election centres outside Zimbabwe during national polls unless the nation made the necessary constitutional amendments and targeted sanctions imposed on some top Zanu-PF officials were removed.

Over four million Zimbabweans, according to the International Organisation for Migration (IOM), are believed to be in the diaspora.

Speaking during the Home/Kumusha /Ekhaya vote connect launch by the Election Resource Centre under the 2023 diaspora election campaign banner, Southern Africa director of Human Rights Watch Dewa Mavhinga said the ruling party should allow every Zimbabwean to vote despite their location as it was their democratic and constitutional right.

"Zanu-PF is afraid that many diasporans who left are not happy with the way it has governed the country and will definitely vote for the opposition, that is why it has ensured that no one necessarily votes," Mavhinga said.

"Diasporas remain massive injectors of foreign currency into the Zimbabwean government fiscus but it still refuses them the right to vote. It cannot have its cake and eat it.

Mavhinga said there was a lot of politicking around the issue and accused President Emmerson Mnangagwa of backpeddling on his earlier promise to let diasporans vote after a coup that ousted the late former President Robert Mugabe in 2017.

"In Zimbabwe, the challenge is that the political landscape is controlled by Zanu-PF and in the 2018 elections, State machinery was used to intimidate and instil fear, therefore, voter education is important, but there is need to be alert of State manoeuvres," he said.

Deutsch Connect founder and chief executive officer Kumbirai Chipadza said: "People should know where their bread is buttered. We contribute largely economically so we should be allowed to vote. The money we remit is a lot and it helps the government of the day."

"Diasporans need to unite and abandon going along partisan lines. Let us not be partisan, but patriotic and once people are united, it is easier to share a common vision," he said.

Rose Gift Foundation chief executive officer Praise Mutemavi, who is a transplant surgeon based in the United States of America, said it was time for both locals and diasporans to form a united front.

Newly-formed Patriotic Zimbabweans Party (PZP) yesterday said it would work hard to ensure diaposrans realise their dream to vote, noting that only members of the security forces, that is, police officers, prison officers are allowed to vote.

"Economically, the Zimbabwean diaspora remittances are now second to foreign direct investment in terms of driving foreign exchange inflows which saw Zimbabweans sending $1,9 billion in 2019 or 9,6% of the nation's GDP, according to the World Bank," PZP secretary for international relations Pishayi Muchauraya said.

He said under the current circumstances, the party had no option but to pursue the necessary legal and political steps to address this fragrant departure from the 1979 Lancaster House consensus on universal suffrage.

Opposition political parties, mainly the Nelson Chamisa-led MDC Alliance, have been calling for electoral reforms, including the diaspora vote
 

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Complex situation. Individuals in this case Zimbabweans (Africans in general) who have had the experience of living in industrialized Western countries understand what it is like to live in a system that works (i.e infrastructure, a present public sector govt., decent education and healthcare systems etc...).

A lot of incompetent political leaders who have badly governed are afraid of the influence of those types on the local population.

However, it is not a linear correlation between western exposure and good governance. Alpha Conde was educated at one of the best universities in the world in France and believe was a professor. Look how he ended up a power hungry man who for the most part did a bad job governing. Many Africans who have had some of the best education, extensive exposure to western societies and yet are not only unable to replicate what works in the West in their countries of origin but further worsen the living conditions of their own people.
 

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Complex situation. Individuals in this case Zimbabweans (Africans in general) who have had the experience of living in industrialized Western countries understand what it is like to live in a system that works (i.e infrastructure, a present public sector govt., decent education and healthcare systems etc...).

A lot of incompetent political leaders who have badly governed are afraid of the influence of those types on the local population.

However, it is not a linear correlation between western exposure and good governance. Alpha Conde was educated at one of the best universities in the world in France and believe was a professor. Look how he ended up a power hungry man who for the most part did a bad job governing. Many Africans who have had some of the best education, extensive exposure to western societies and yet are not only unable to replicate what works in the West in their countries of origin but further worsen the living conditions of their own people.

Interesting take.

I'm not in favor of it. The diasporan involvement in the assassination of President Moise pinpoints, and confirms the worst fears that locals have about ulterior motives of non locals.
The diasporans clearly didn't act alone, but they provided cover and distance for the locals conspirators.

Haiti is a country with coup d'etats is a normal political occurrence historically. Even attempts on the lives of leaders, but actual killing of sitting president in modern era is rare. Last happened 100 years ago. Still shaken up about it.

Haitian diasporan just got the right to vote in elections a few months before the hit. And at the time, plenty of Florida diasporans were pressing for more rights, like being able to run for office and lowering residency rules, etc. I thought about that when they arrested a Floridian for being involved in the hit.
 

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Interesting take.

I'm not in favor of it. The diasporan involvement in the assassination of President Moise pinpoints, and confirms the worst fears that locals have about ulterior motives of non locals.
The diasporans clearly didn't act alone, but they provided cover and distance for the locals conspirators.

Haiti is a country with coup d'etats is a normal political occurrence historically. Even attempts on the lives of leaders, but actual killing of sitting president in modern era is rare. Last happened 100 years ago. Still shaken up about it.

Haitian diasporan just got the right to vote in elections a few months before the hit. And at the time, plenty of Florida diasporans were pressing for more rights, like being able to run for office and lowering residency rules, etc. I thought about that when they arrested a Floridian for being involved in the hit.

Understand some reservations about the involvement of diasporans. The flight of human capital from a lot of poor African countries further compounds the lack of development in the countries of origin.

I am not saying that there is not local talent but those who have had opportunities to live life in more stable functioning democracies can add value to their countries of origin. However this does not mean just because one has lived studied or worked abroad that they necessarily come with the best intentions.

In many African countries, the diasporans are bolstering their arguments of participation in the political/electoral process by highlighting of how much money they send back home in countries where there is massive unemployment, endemic corruption lack of social services etc... I have heard and seen diasporans financing people's hospital bills, prescription medicine, funeralsl costs, school fees/tuition in their countries of origin.

The aggregate amount of the capital/money that diasporans send back home at least in the Sub-Saharan Africa context rivals the GDP of some countries. Families would be devastated if it was not for that one relative who lives in North America or Europe to send back money.

So diasporans from some African countries are making the economic argument as justification to be participants in the political/electoral process of their respective countries of origin.
 

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As someone that grew up in America since 9 but originally from Morocco this is no go for myself...

Too much outside influence which unfortunately alot Americans aren't use to, if citizens aren't on the ground or actively involved(meaning in the country majority throughout the year) they should not be allowed to vote...
 

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Understand some reservations about the involvement of diasporans. The flight of human capital from a lot of poor African countries further compounds the lack of development in the countries of origin.

I am not saying that there is not local talent but those who have had opportunities to live life in more stable functioning democracies can add value to their countries of origin. However this does not mean just because one has lived studied or worked abroad that they necessarily come with the best intentions.

In many African countries, the diasporans are bolstering their arguments of participation in the political/electoral process by highlighting of how much money they send back home in countries where there is massive unemployment, endemic corruption lack of social services etc... I have heard and seen diasporans financing people's hospital bills, prescription medicine, funeralsl costs, school fees/tuition in their countries of origin.

The aggregate amount of the capital/money that diasporans send back home at least in the Sub-Saharan Africa context rivals the GDP of some countries. Families would be devastated if it was not for that one relative who lives in North America or Europe to send back money.

So diasporans from some African countries are making the economic argument as justification to be participants in the political/electoral process of their respective countries of origin.

The economic argument is moot, as an American citizen of Moroccan origins i have no sympathy for african country citizens not moving back and actively participating in educating others (my parents included, we are Uregu i.e. berber for lack of a better term) in there society or economically making it in the west..

It's disingenuous and shows why alot African countries are in the condition they are in compared to some southern Asian countries which were getting out colonialism the same time as African nations...
 
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