Should direct diasporans be allowed to vote in home country elections?

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What constitutes a diasporan? Is this demographic only individuals that resided in Zimbabwe at some point in their lifetime or does it also include 2nd or 3rd generation Zimbabweans abroad?

 

[Ineedmoney504]

No

 

[get these nets]

What constitutes a diasporan? Is this demographic only individuals that resided in Zimbabwe at some point in there lifetime or does it also include 2nd or 3rd generation Zimbabweans abroad?

From the 2013 Zimbabwe Constitution

 

[intruder]

i have mixed feelings about this.

While i understand the intentions and it's meant for good, i feel diaspora need to have limits in a country's politics. First of all if you've NEVER lived in a country you SHOULD NOT be able to vote in its elections. For example I know many foreign born haitians feel like they want to have a say in certain things but i cant cosign it. Only those who are on site have a true feel for what it's like to be there. Those who have lived there in the past...i can cosign them being able to vote with certain limitations. As the Diaspora tends to look at things from a diaspora lens and think with the foreign mindset because they have assimilated to the foreign way of life. We often believe things we see in the media and dont take into account the fact that certain things are overblown and others are downplayed and all this impacts our emotions and our decisions.

At the same time the diaspora can also have major positive impact on a country if their voices are also heard but never should it trump that of the locals. But if the dispora wants votes, should it also be taxed by said country?

 

[get these nets]

Nigeria: Senate rejects diaspora vote, special seats for women

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March 2, 2022
Nigeria’s Senate on Tuesday voted to reject changes to the constitution to allow citizens living abroad to vote in national elections. A provision to allocate special seats for women to increase their political representation failed to pass.

Voters in Africa’s most populous nation will go to the polls to elect a new president and parliament in February 2023. Hopes that Nigeria’s diaspora would take part were dashed when only 29 senators out of the 92 present supported the provision.

For a constitutional bill to pass, it requires the support of at least two-thirds of the 109-member senate.

Nigeria’s diaspora population was estimated at 1.7 million as of 2020 by the United Nations Department of Economic and Social Affairs

 

[Frangala]

Nigeria: Senate rejects diaspora vote, special seats for women

© Provided by Al Jazeera

March 2, 2022
Nigeria’s Senate on Tuesday voted to reject changes to the constitution to allow citizens living abroad to vote in national elections. A provision to allocate special seats for women to increase their political representation failed to pass.

Voters in Africa’s most populous nation will go to the polls to elect a new president and parliament in February 2023. Hopes that Nigeria’s diaspora would take part were dashed when only 29 senators out of the 92 present supported the provision.

For a constitutional bill to pass, it requires the support of at least two-thirds of the 109-member senate.

Nigeria’s diaspora population was estimated at 1.7 million as of 2020 by the United Nations Department of Economic and Social Affairs

Of course the Senate did, people have to understand that the diaspora population (1) who do not come from the elite of the country origin AND (2) who have had exposure in living in industrialized western countries have a different mentality. That mentality is what the corrupt and incompetent elites in many African countries are afraid of so therefore limiting voting rights.

 

[get these nets]

Of course the Senate did, people have to understand that the diaspora population (1) who do not come from the elite of the country origin AND (2) who have had exposure in living in industrialized western countries have a different mentality. That mentality is what the corrupt and incompetent elites in many African countries are afraid of so therefore limiting voting rights.

Yes

This story is playing out in multiple Black countries, as post colonization diasporas have formed outside their borders.
Contrary to what many here think, your first point is spot on, and is true more often than not for most of these countries. The elites, oligarch familiies, power holders tend to NOT become immigrants and start all over in a different country. Perhaps go abroad to study, but not to live.
The waves of immigrants from Black countries occupied different social positions back home.
No reason for people with power and control of industry and govt. to leave and start over.

Also, the home society is often structured in a way that protects their positions and prevents social mobility of those from other segments.

 

[Frangala]

In addition, these systems need to be dismantled so you do not have human capital getting educated in places like Ukraine and being denied access to neighboring countries because of anti-Black racism. So much of the mistreatment and bad conditions such as mistreatment abroad or dying in the middle of the Mediterranean can be prevented if the governing class in those countries were serious minded about improving the lives of the citizens.

 

[Frangala]

Yes

This story is playing out in multiple Black countries, as post colonization diasporas have formed outside their borders.
Contrary to what many here think, your first point is spot on, and is true more often than not for most of these countries. The elites, oligarch familiies, power holders tend to NOT become immigrants and start all over in a different country. Perhaps go abroad to study, but not to live.
The waves of immigrants from Black countries occupied different social positions back home.
No reason for people with power and control of industry and govt. to leave and start over.

Also, the home society is often structured in a way that protects their positions and prevents social mobility of those from other segments.

I have made that argument countless times on this board to push against the "cream of the crop" African immigrants who immigrate to the United States.

 

[bnew]

As someone that grew up in America since 9 but originally from Morocco this is no go for myself...

Too much outside influence which unfortunately alot Americans aren't use to, if citizens aren't on the ground or actively involved(meaning in the country majority throughout the year) they should not be allowed to vote...

americans vote from abroad all the time but I can see the differences between that of a developed country versus a developing country.

 

[George's Dilemma]

No. Imagine if you had distance relatives that wanted to have some say so about what goes on in the house that you own. You want to replace the hot water tank with an electric tankless heater. However, cousin Dasia-Sparah who lives in another state and contributes nothing to the house can legally prevent you from doing so.

 

[get these nets]

In addition, these systems need to be dismantled so you do not have human capital getting educated in places like Ukraine and being denied access to neighboring countries because of anti-Black racism. So much of the mistreatment and bad conditions such as mistreatment abroad or dying in the middle of the Mediterranean can be prevented if the governing class in those countries were serious minded about improving the lives of the citizens.

There is no incentive for the business elite or governing class to do that though. The diaspora indirectly does their job for them. Despite the pandemic hit global economies, RECORD remittances were sent back to African countries in the last year, according to what I've read.
Those are the loans, start up capital , tuition fees, etc that are driving development. People breaking their backs to pay rent AND send money back home.

Just enough resources get pumped into the countries to prevent unrest/revolution, but not enough to develop infrastructure. Perfect scenario for the leaders. Mexican govt. counts on their diaspora to do their jobs the same way.

 

[Detroit Wave]

Only if you paying taxes then sure

 

[Frangala]

There is no incentive for the business elite or governing class to do that though. The diaspora indirectly does their job for them. Despite the pandemic hit global economies, RECORD remittances were sent back to African countries in the last year, according to what I've read.
Those are the loans, start up capital , tuition fees, etc that are driving development. People breaking their backs to pay rent AND send money back home.

Just enough resources get pumped into the countries to prevent unrest/revolution, but not enough to develop infrastructure. Perfect scenario for the leaders. Mexican govt. counts on their diaspora to do their jobs the same way.

There was an African journalist (forgot what nationality) floated the idea of diaspora not sending remittances especially nearing election season.

 

[get these nets]

I have made that argument countless times on this board to push against the "cream of the crop" African immigrants who immigrate to the United States.

I think some people, subconsciously, have Hollywood vision of Africans and Islanders in their heads. Perhaps perceiving us as inferior and backwards. Person you deem as inferior achieving anything of note would challenge/refute your views. . Have to craft rationalizations/juelzes rather than concede that they are not inferior. I guess.